Jan, You make a very good point with creating a staging area and having some level of voting etc before uploads are committed. This does has a fair share of backend work + notifications, that come with it.
We have much better means of preventing failure on native apps - with face detection, exif data etc. Apps and mobile web could also benefit from user curation on the lead image. Some ideas in this vein are: Enable uploads for nearby feature, because we know the user is actually at that location. Allow users to pick a lead image, using the existing gallery of the article. In addition to system detecting, we need a component guiding the user as to what an appropriate image is. Vibha ---- Vibha Bamba Senior Designer | WMF Design On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 15 Apr 2015 11:34 am, "Jan Ainali" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Perhaps some serious thought should go into guiding the user in what an > appropriate upload is rather than just make it super easy to upload the > very first time? > We tried. This is a very very hard problem. Explaining copyright law is > difficult and no matter how many barriers we put in place the instant > gratification of having contributed something valuable overruled that. > > Didn't mobile web have around ~80% {{speedy}} and ~10% rightfully > successful deletion requests? > > > > If I understand correctly Wikigrok will not be "direct editing" on > Wikidata, but rather collecting data to see if it gets a good enough > validity that there is a coherence on the data before a bot does the edit. > How about trying something similar for images? Mobile upload to a staging > area, where other app users can tag it as useful/spam/out-of-scope and > perhaps even add categories to it before the actual upload to Commons > happen? > > > > Yeh this is definitely an option but we don't have infrastructure for this > for images... > > Med vänliga hälsningar, > > Jan Ainali > > > > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige > > 0729 - 67 29 48 > > > > > > Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till > mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör. > > Bli medlem. > > > > > > 2015-04-15 20:16 GMT+02:00 Jon Robson <[email protected]>: > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Brian Gerstle <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Because Commons is afraid of the massive influx of selfies that will > then > >> >> have to be deleted, binding admin time and upsetting the uploader > (who is, > >> >> likely, not aware of the Commons policies). > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source > >> >> (smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep everyone sane > (YMMV). > >> > > >> > > >> > I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are > there > >> > any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows > and/or > >> > moderation? I appreciate that this is a difficult problem, and I > hope we're > >> > putting earnest effort into figuring out how to mitigate or solve it. > >> > > >> > I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, > which > >> > describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many > companies > >> > or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users." How > will > >> > Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth? > >> > >> +1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's > >> future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really > >> saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of > >> spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos > >> of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on > >> influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more > >> time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this > >> will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so > >> far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have > >> to convince Lila is a good use of our time... > >> > >> [1] > http://wikimedia-l.wikimedia.narkive.com/AihmOoNe/mobile-image-upload > >> > >> > > >> > Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with > >> > Wikidata/Wikigrok? > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> There seems to be two things in conflict when dealing with anything > upload > >> >> related. > >> >> 1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing > >> >> 2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people > >> >> > >> >> Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could > see it > >> >> but people still uploaded selfies and copyvios. IMO the copyvios > were an > >> >> attempt to be helpful. > >> >> > >> >> So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the > commons > >> >> app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir > says most > >> >> "muggles" don't know what it is so this serves as a filter for > people that > >> >> use the app. Folding this functionality into a Wikipedia app would > make you > >> >> hit problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it. > >> >> > >> >> On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" < > [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > An Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory > catalisator for > >> >>> > hundreds of millions of people to participate to Commons. If you > have only > >> >>> > 300 unique users a month with an official Commons app, IMO the > only thing it > >> >>> > tells you is: the app is not good enough! > >> >>> > >> >>> Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is. > >> >>> > >> >>> Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome > repository > >> >>> of media that can compete with Flickr and Instagram, or we need to > bundle it > >> >>> with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of people do have. > >> >>> > >> >>> Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and > millions > >> >>> hate it, but the same millions use it because they are hooked too > strongly, > >> >>> and Facebook has a super-strong interest in hooking people to the > Messenger > >> >>> (the most popular explanation is that they want to transition it to > a > >> >>> payment processing app). > >> >>> > >> >>> We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business of > >> >>> sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to > >> >>> popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. > But at > >> >>> this point in time this appears to be a much higher-hanging fruit > than > >> >>> adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app. > >> >>> > >> >>> > But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I have tested > Commons *in > >> >>> > real conditions* a year ago in Africa and the result was: almost > impossible > >> >>> > to upload picture to Commons (but no problem to upload the same > pictures to > >> >>> > Tumblr). > >> >>> > >> >>> I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems > that we > >> >>> can fix, or because there is no app? > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > >> >>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com > >> >>> “We're living in pieces, > >> >>> I want to live in peace.” – T. 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