On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Brian Gerstle <[email protected]> wrote: >> Because Commons is afraid of the massive influx of selfies that will then >> have to be deleted, binding admin time and upsetting the uploader (who is, >> likely, not aware of the Commons policies). >> >> >> >> As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source >> (smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep everyone sane (YMMV). > > > I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are there > any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows and/or > moderation? I appreciate that this is a difficult problem, and I hope we're > putting earnest effort into figuring out how to mitigate or solve it. > > I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, which > describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many companies > or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users." How will > Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?
+1. How we change this culture is the holy grail of Wikimedia's future. Unless we change this, our project will die imo. I was really saddened to see mobile uploads disappear from web - we had a lot of spam yes but we also had people posting never before available photos of diseases [1]. Our communities reaction seems to be to push back on influxes of new edits which makes me feel we should be spending more time on moderation tools - but so far I don't see any hint that this will become a focus. This is a bigger problem than web and apps but so far we see this more than most... I think this is something we'd have to convince Lila is a good use of our time... [1] http://wikimedia-l.wikimedia.narkive.com/AihmOoNe/mobile-image-upload > > Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with > Wikidata/Wikigrok? > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> There seems to be two things in conflict when dealing with anything upload >> related. >> 1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing >> 2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people >> >> Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could see it >> but people still uploaded selfies and copyvios. IMO the copyvios were an >> attempt to be helpful. >> >> So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the commons >> app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir says most >> "muggles" don't know what it is so this serves as a filter for people that >> use the app. Folding this functionality into a Wikipedia app would make you >> hit problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it. >> >> On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> > An Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory catalisator for >>> > hundreds of millions of people to participate to Commons. If you have only >>> > 300 unique users a month with an official Commons app, IMO the only thing >>> > it >>> > tells you is: the app is not good enough! >>> >>> Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is. >>> >>> Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome repository >>> of media that can compete with Flickr and Instagram, or we need to bundle it >>> with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of people do have. >>> >>> Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and millions >>> hate it, but the same millions use it because they are hooked too strongly, >>> and Facebook has a super-strong interest in hooking people to the Messenger >>> (the most popular explanation is that they want to transition it to a >>> payment processing app). >>> >>> We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business of >>> sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to >>> popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. But at >>> this point in time this appears to be a much higher-hanging fruit than >>> adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app. >>> >>> > But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I have tested Commons *in >>> > real conditions* a year ago in Africa and the result was: almost >>> > impossible >>> > to upload picture to Commons (but no problem to upload the same pictures >>> > to >>> > Tumblr). >>> >>> I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems that we >>> can fix, or because there is no app? >>> >>> -- >>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >>> “We're living in pieces, >>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mobile-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobile-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> > > > > -- > EN Wikipedia user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian.gerstle > IRC: bgerstle -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
