Hi Andrew
thanks for your comments and i do agree, I have explained that I got
the wrong end of the stick, and have apologized... unfortunately
nothing more can be done, except for everyone to learn, it was
apparent that no one asked the other side to explain further in case
they had misunderstood something - this is a comment that is 100%
apparent in ALL posts, yet im apologizing for my tone, it was not one
of frustration for not understanding it was one of feeling that i was
told not to ask questions and being patronized. i understand i read it
wrong, and have apologized, i agree i was RUDE and should have been
more diplomatic
as you stated in case anyone else is looking for the answer to this
post:
* The remote bean is an instance of ColdSpring's
RemoteFactoryBean.
* We specify 'lazy-init="false"' so that ColdSpring will generate
the Remote Proxy as soon as the ColdSpring factory is created.
Otherwise, if you leave it as the default (lazy-init="true")
ColdSpring waits for you to call getBean() to generate the Remote
Proxy. Since we want our Remote Proxy to be ready right way, we'll set
this to false so that it is created immediately.
* The target is the bean which will be proxied.
* The service name is the name of the CFC that ColdSpring will
generate.
* Relative path is the location where ColdSpring will place the
generated CFC.
* Remote method names is a list of method names that will allow
remote access. Specifying '*' means all methods.
* The name of the application scope variable that holds the bean
factory. In this case I've set it to application.beanFactory.
On Sep 13, 12:59 am, "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> As much as an interesting topic this is.
>
> I was going to reply to Chris, but I will make this public.
>
> Chris responded in a very professional manner, and was more polite than most
> that I have seen.
>
> However, I will agree that at times when you are looking for some
> understanding these lists are invaluable. I didn't like the fact that
> someone else may have had the same question, to only find that it was shut
> down. However, I love to self learn. And his politeness would have
> encouraged others to seek further information, in a polite manner. Not Rude
> at all.
>
> You Richard responded back with frustration, and I feel that frustration at
> times on many lists. Because too many do think they know and don't fully
> read the post. Then you may have a leg to stand on when it comes to getting
> help...
>
> But I am sorry I do feel what you said Richard, but your response back was
> RUDE.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 4:39 AM, cs01rsw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > thanks for your response Adam, and totally true, i have also been
> > guilt of this in the past.
>
> > on this occasion at the time of asking i had searched and couldnt find
> > any information in relation to what chris was discussing. i didnt even
> > know that it was a coldspring issue as opposed to a model glue issue.
> > its only when brian gave me a link to the coldspring documentation in
> > another link that i found the exact code that chris was discussed and
> > managed to find my answer
>
> > it is not always clear to other people what level of understanding the
> > people asking the questions have, or what extent they have gone to in
> > order to find the problem - as it seemed to others like i was just
> > asking questions without researching.
>
> > to add to your comment that the asker of the question should be
> > clearer on what he has done to find the question and what he is not
> > clear on (which i totally agree with, as having re-read the post i see
> > how it comes across like this), i would also add that the person
> > answering the question should assume that the asker has done their
> > research and maybe they are missing something.
>
> > have you ever seen this scenario: the novice asks the expert a
> > question, the expert explains and the novice replies 'i dont
> > understand', the expert replies 'what dont you understand', the novice
> > replies 'i dont understand anything you just said', so the expert
> > replies 'what do you mean you dont understand anything i just said' -
> > they both get frustrated.
>
> > i am in an environment where this sort of thing happens day in and day
> > out. my point is merely to add to your comments, and say yes i totally
> > agree with you that the novice needs to state exactly what they dont
> > understand or what they have done to find the answers for themselves,
> > i also think it is equally important that we also see the other side
> > of the coin, which is the expert understands that what may be very
> > simple to them may be extremely complicated for the novice.
>
> > being a novice in terms of model glue and coldspring, i would like to
> > say that i totally appreciate everyones help. im sure we all received
> > this help in order to understand this excellent topic and i, like all
> > of us, are grateful for the time and effort of others, and I do not
> > intentionally lash out at others. i thought i had a right to defend
> > myself, just as Vicky and J thought they had a right to defend Chris.
> > but as is the problem with non-verbal communication there will always
> > be a possibility of mis-understanding
>
> > thanks again to everyone for their input
>
> > On Sep 12, 5:36 pm, "Adam Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > For what it's worth Richard, you've started as many threads here on the
> > MG
> > > list in the last few days as there have been in previous months. It's
> > > generally a pretty low-traffic list -- hence Vicky's comment. (I am not
> > > implying that it should remain low-traffic or that increased traffic
> > should
> > > cause anyone any grief. Quite the contrary, volume should be whatever it
> > > needs to be, and people will adapt to suit their preferences. I'm just
> > > making a point.)
> > > Therefore, it's easy to come to the conclusion that you're asking to have
> > > the docs explained to you instead of reading them for yourself -- but to
> > > your credit, at least half of your threads have been either somewhat
> > deeply
> > > technical, or conceptual things that may not be well explained elsewhere
> > > (ie: your question about the getters and setters that you couldn't find
> > > being used; but they turned out to be the bits that CS needs to inject
> > > dependencies.)
>
> > > I have to say that I am frequently guilty of this myself. I will often
> > ask a
> > > peer if he know's Foo's phone extension (instead of looking it up in our
> > > phone directory), or "what was the url variable we picked to clear cached
> > > queries?" when I could have opened up the code and looked for myself. I'm
> > > sure everyone's been guilty of that at at least one point during their
> > > lives.
>
> > > For that reason, when asking for help (especially from mailing lists and
> > > support forums), I try to make it clear that I've googled my problem by
> > > providing links to things I've found that were close but not helpful
> > because
> > > of X; that I've read the documentation by linking to relevant docs and
> > > describing what may be missing or poorly explained; and lastly (if
> > > applicable, like in this situation) by giving code samples that aren't
> > > running as expected, that I just don't understand, or that otherwise
> > > demonstrate my problem.
>
> > > It's always good to give your own requests a healthy dose of criticism,
> > and
> > > besides showing that you've done the proper research, sometimes this
> > > approach will yield the answer. Many-a-email-draft and forum-posts have
> > been
> > > unsent and trashed because during the writing I've stumbled on my answer.
>
> > > And if nothing else, the quality of your posts will be very high, making
> > > them very answerable. :)
>
> > > </$0.02>
>
> > > Adam
>
> > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, cs01rsw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > thanks j glad we sorted this out
>
> > > > good luck
>
> > > > richard
>
> > > > On Sep 12, 4:58 pm, Jared Rypka-Hauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > As I am concerned you had barged into a ModelGlue list demanding an
> > > > > education in ColdSpring, OO architecture and design, ModelGlue and UI
> > > > > development and then spit in the face of one of the people who was
> > > > > most active in helping you. Apparently, it was a misunderstanding and
> > > > > I'm glad that it has been righted. Kudos to you for apologizing and
> > > > > making it right.
>
> > > > > I should have said something more like "Dude, Chris was only trying
> > > > > to help, seriously, that's not what he meant" rather than jumping
> > > > > directly to invective. I was pissed... someone had impugned my friend
> > > > > who was trying to help them, and I was trying to make a point: If
> > > > > you're going to spit in the face of your helpers, go learn to help
> > > > > yourself. That was, and is, my only point, and it still stands even
> > > > > if it no longer applies in this situation.
>
> > > > > So, apparently you and I have had our own misunderstanding, for which
> > > > > I apologize. I was unclear in my response to your assault on Chris.
> > > > > It had nothing to do with patience, your level of knowledge or
> > > > > anything else. It had to do exclusively with your reaction to someone
> > > > > who was putting in every effort to assist you and receiving your
> > > > > scorn in return.
>
> > > > > Anyone who knows me knows I can be an arrogant dickhead, but that I
> > > > > am also reasonable and more than willing to make things right where I
> > > > > was wrong. I regret that our first encounter was of this nature and
> > > > > that I chose to respond the way I did. Please accept my apology for
> > > > > being quick to react.
>
> > > > > Hopefully we can all just get along and play nice now... us "so-
> > > > > called experts" lose patience so easily one never knows what might
> > > > > happen if these shenanigans continue. ;)
>
> > > > > J
>
> > > > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 10:03 AM, cs01rsw wrote:
>
> > > > > > there is a common belief amongst the so called experts that they
> > get
> > > > > > frustrated with people who may not know as much, and also their
> > egos
> > > > > > stretch to unbelievable heights. the good thing about the cf
> > community
> > > > > > is that i rarely see this. the cf community really seems to be
> > there
> > > > > > to help people no matter what their experience level, or questions.
>
> > > > > > people giving advice also need to learn to take it and not be too
> > > > > > hostile - not mentioned any names (j), and the so called experts
> > need
> > > > > > understand that cultures are different and the nature of people is
> > > > > > different, and that sometimes advice may not get across in the way
> > > > > > that it is meant. ...
>
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