Sorry, I felt obliged to defend Chris, for rude is the last thing I've ever found him to be. Tho I have been a bit irked by the amt of inbox traffic, it was good to be reminded that digest mode exists.
Peace. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Adam Tuttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > For what it's worth Richard, you've started as many threads here on the MG > list in the last few days as there have been in previous months. It's > generally a pretty low-traffic list -- hence Vicky's comment. (I am not > implying that it should remain low-traffic or that increased traffic should > cause anyone any grief. Quite the contrary, volume should be whatever it > needs to be, and people will adapt to suit their preferences. I'm just > making a point.) > Therefore, it's easy to come to the conclusion that you're asking to have > the docs explained to you instead of reading them for yourself -- but to > your credit, at least half of your threads have been either somewhat deeply > technical, or conceptual things that may not be well explained elsewhere > (ie: your question about the getters and setters that you couldn't find > being used; but they turned out to be the bits that CS needs to inject > dependencies.) > > I have to say that I am frequently guilty of this myself. I will often ask > a peer if he know's Foo's phone extension (instead of looking it up in our > phone directory), or "what was the url variable we picked to clear cached > queries?" when I could have opened up the code and looked for myself. I'm > sure everyone's been guilty of that at at least one point during their > lives. > > For that reason, when asking for help (especially from mailing lists and > support forums), I try to make it clear that I've googled my problem by > providing links to things I've found that were close but not helpful because > of X; that I've read the documentation by linking to relevant docs and > describing what may be missing or poorly explained; and lastly (if > applicable, like in this situation) by giving code samples that aren't > running as expected, that I just don't understand, or that otherwise > demonstrate my problem. > > It's always good to give your own requests a healthy dose of criticism, and > besides showing that you've done the proper research, sometimes this > approach will yield the answer. Many-a-email-draft and forum-posts have been > unsent and trashed because during the writing I've stumbled on my answer. > > And if nothing else, the quality of your posts will be very high, making > them very answerable. :) > > </$0.02> > > Adam > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM, cs01rsw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> thanks j glad we sorted this out >> >> good luck >> >> richard >> >> On Sep 12, 4:58 pm, Jared Rypka-Hauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > As I am concerned you had barged into a ModelGlue list demanding an >> > education in ColdSpring, OO architecture and design, ModelGlue and UI >> > development and then spit in the face of one of the people who was >> > most active in helping you. Apparently, it was a misunderstanding and >> > I'm glad that it has been righted. Kudos to you for apologizing and >> > making it right. >> > >> > I should have said something more like "Dude, Chris was only trying >> > to help, seriously, that's not what he meant" rather than jumping >> > directly to invective. I was pissed... someone had impugned my friend >> > who was trying to help them, and I was trying to make a point: If >> > you're going to spit in the face of your helpers, go learn to help >> > yourself. That was, and is, my only point, and it still stands even >> > if it no longer applies in this situation. >> > >> > So, apparently you and I have had our own misunderstanding, for which >> > I apologize. I was unclear in my response to your assault on Chris. >> > It had nothing to do with patience, your level of knowledge or >> > anything else. It had to do exclusively with your reaction to someone >> > who was putting in every effort to assist you and receiving your >> > scorn in return. >> > >> > Anyone who knows me knows I can be an arrogant dickhead, but that I >> > am also reasonable and more than willing to make things right where I >> > was wrong. I regret that our first encounter was of this nature and >> > that I chose to respond the way I did. Please accept my apology for >> > being quick to react. >> > >> > Hopefully we can all just get along and play nice now... us "so- >> > called experts" lose patience so easily one never knows what might >> > happen if these shenanigans continue. ;) >> > >> > J >> > >> > On Sep 12, 2008, at 10:03 AM, cs01rsw wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > there is a common belief amongst the so called experts that they get >> > > frustrated with people who may not know as much, and also their egos >> > > stretch to unbelievable heights. the good thing about the cf community >> > > is that i rarely see this. the cf community really seems to be there >> > > to help people no matter what their experience level, or questions. >> > >> > > people giving advice also need to learn to take it and not be too >> > > hostile - not mentioned any names (j), and the so called experts need >> > > understand that cultures are different and the nature of people is >> > > different, and that sometimes advice may not get across in the way >> > > that it is meant. ... >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "model-glue" group. 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