> > It's all about Motown really isn't it? I know Chess is MY fave label,
> > though
> > Motown is undoubtedly the most influential label in history(?!).
>
>So what?!
>Chess is a better label - much more suited to a mod's taste....
Doesn't mean it's a better label just cos it suits mods tastes
though...
>Who cares which was more influential - that's not what anyone here
>cares about...!
Lets never talk about any 60's influences then shall we? It's
interesting discussion as is all the stuff on this list of late. And anyway,
there's no question about which was the more influential. Motown hands down
every time...
>But isn't some of the rarer stuff by white artists?
Not really RARE, but a lot of white STUFF is played.
Like Ed said, Seven Day Lover by James Fountain is a fabulous SOUL tune, but
not a 60's tune. In fact, it's a white boy recorded in '79! But a fabulous
sound. (perhaps putting paid to claims of 60's exclisivity on my part) I
used to have this arguement with my ex. She would never dance to something
like Baby, Baby Don't Waste My Time by Gladys Knight (like I do!) but always
danced to the James Fountain track. It's all a case of where you want your
exclusivity and inclusivity to lie so to speak, in terms of what you want
from your soul!
>Like that 'Bok to Bach' tune (or whatever it's called) I heard down
>Vincent Van GoGo - that I read's a bunch of white guys funded by a
>priest!?
Terrible track, though I do own it, cos my housemate made me buy it. Yes you
are right. That's why they are called Fathers Angels.
But that's a novelty record, like the Detroit Executives' 'Cool
Off', which was actually an advertisement for a refridgeration/air
conditioning company! It's fucking awful, but it fills a dancefloor every
time!
Mind you, I don't know how many people know that Jimmy
FraSer's (sic) 'Of Hopes And Dreams Of Tombstones' was actually made as an
inner city youth awareness record to give kids a kick up the proverbial!
Originals have been found with stickers on proclaiming that it was funded by
local authorities!
I know tracks by white men which have the same soul as black
artists but the ratio is too low to bother mentioning. What about Detroit
Soul's 'All Of My Life', ironically blue eyed soul but a great tune &
Timebox's 'Beggin'', though they should never have attempted Bunny Sigler's
'Girl Don't make Me Wait'.
>Of course not! That works two ways - Andy argued they'll play rare
stuff
>over more available stuff just cos it's rare.
Yes. I know they do. There's nothing to argue about over that issue.
>But being rare doesn't mean it's good!!! So there!
Didn't I say that?
>I mean, me, and I imagine I speak for Andy too - I'll go for
whatever -
>as long as it's good - you know? quality music.
But then again how many time a week do you hear Billy Butler's Right Track?
I'm sure if you were as heavily into the Northern Scene, I'm sure you'd be
bored shitless within a month! My arguement is, there's so much great soul
music available, rare or tuppence a dozen, that you don't need to listen to
stuff like Higher and Higher every week. In fact, you needn't listen to the
same song every week for years! There's more music out there than you can
listen to in a lifetime. Just go out and find it! It's there if you look for
it.
>I couldn't care less who recorded it, and how much it costs to buy
on
>vinyl.
That's because you neither a collector nor an elitist soul boy (that's not a
qualitative judgement by the way!) Some of us are.
>If it's good it's good - and I'll like it!
Isn't that how music works anyway?
>Well it sounds innacurate from what I can tell. I mean I already
>mentioned the white guys - and you just mentioned the non-uptempo
>tracks that still get classed as northern - and as to 60s... see below...
It is a 60's music phenomenon. Whatever ANYONE says Paul. Honest. That's
what it was built on and it's what it'll continue to be built on.
>Yeah I know. But I thought a fair bit of the stuff was recorded in
the
>early 70s.
Late Motown, some (of the best!) Jackie Wilson stuff.. Nolan Porter
- If I Colud Only Be Sure, even better, Velvettes - I Gotta Find Me Somebody
was brought out in 72 wasn't it. Correct me if I'm wrong Ed. I'm not too
sure. But if I'm right, it still has that massive 60's sound.
Strange I was talking about that Martha Reeves, It was written
(and possibly recorded) in 65, though it never saw a release till 1970! Does
that mean it's a 70's track despite it being 60's vintage?
And anyway it was only really Ian 'The Devil Owns My Soul'
Levine who started the 70's soul explosion in the mid to late 70's. The man
who it has ben said single handedly wrecked the 60's Northern soul scene
with the record 'It really Hurts Me Girl' by the Carstairs (on the Red Coach
label! Since I am supposed to be the expert.)
>Wasn't it?! (can't think of an example..... YOU're the expert!)
All those bloody awful Chairman Of The Board tracks.....
Millie Jackson - My Man, A Sweet Man
The Dells.
Chuck Jackson - All Over The World primarily a 60's artist recording in the
70's!
There you go!
Perfect example methinks
> No I don't mean that silly! I think that's a stupid term too!
>
No it's not a silly term. Cos few of the men and women who travel up and
down the country every weekend would be unlikely to be happy if you told
them that you too were into soul and began rattling off every track off the
best of Atlantic album! Definitions need to be set and this term does it
perfectly. There are at least 5 different soul genres I can think of.
60's,70's, Neo-soul(R Kelly etc) Deep, Midtempo, Uptown, Blue eyed, Uptempo,
Souljazz (a particular fave of mine and Julians!) and then you can start on
R'n'b tinged, Ska edged. There's bloody loads. Northern incorporates a large
majority of these subdivisions, but some people only dance to one.
>What are you trying to say anyway?? Trying to fob me off with the
old
>'don't dig northern soul must be a stupid indie kid' thing??!
No, now you're getting paranoid. I'm just trying to make an analogy with a
more contemporary music genre which you might be more familiar with. Most of
us wre indikids for gods sake. I had the Suede and Marion out at the
weekend. But that was more to do with the company I was with. Reminiscing
the good times.
>Well *MY* point is that a lot of the stuff ain't got no bloody
soul!
>Poppy-sounding, soul-less!
You're right.
>Deep soul - Chess - some Motown - there I'll agree to the 'emotion'
ALL Motown. It may have been the biggest commercial music company,
but it's still got all the soul you could ever ask for. That's what
differentiates it from modern shite. It was contrived, but still well
produced, excecuted etc....
>thing............ but not that crummy 'rare' white pop that gets
>played.....
>Bonus!
For why?
>(You'll be the sweaty geezer doing back flips in a brown Adams suit
will
>you?)
No. I'll be the sweaty bloke asleep in the corner in a doubtlessly new
outfit. I have some NEW clothes now. But not that many.
Now what SHALL I wear?!
>PS. Ever ventured into the beat basement???
To pick up my bag to go upstairs? Yes, at the end of the night. We all go
down for whatever music we are into. I go down to listen to the best(and
often rarest) soul and R'nB and the mousetrap often offers that.
Matt....
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