Some of those script kiddies actually learn your tools and become
proficient users. I'm just trying to point out how everyone who isn't
on the moo-royalty might feel. Do you really think that anyone looking
for a library now will feel comfortable with mootools knowing that you
obviously look down upon anyone who doesn't have the skill set of
yourselves. We all started out somewhere, don't forget that.

I'm not even using mootools anymore, I'm just trying to point out that
the little guys feels like you don't give a sh*t. Thanks for the
proof.

On Sep 17, 5:30 am, Tom Occhino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you Nathan and Guillermo.
>
> It seems it's hard for the others to realize that the code is what's  
> important, and I feel like no matter what we do or say, it will never  
> be good enough for some.  I am certain this topic is long from dead,  
> and i will have to address 'when are the forums coming back' at least  
> 25 more times in the next 6 months.  Oh well, such is life...
>
> - Tom
>
> On Sep 17, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Nathan White wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wake up people! Its evolution. The forum was too accessible, way too  
> > many script kiddies asking for help when they had no proper  
> > foundation in javascript removing precious resources from mootools.  
> > Tom posted earlier how he likes the direction of the site and how it  
> > caters to developers. Let's respect that.
>
> > If its so bad look at the other frameworks. Jquery and Prototype use  
> > google groups.
>
> > Yes we all get email but there are ways to manage it. I love having  
> > the discussions this way, I am more on top of what is going on with  
> > less effort. The only thing I could possibly see down the road is  
> > having multiple mail lists.
>
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Jeremy B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > " the elite
> > don't care about the people.
>
> > And seriously, a happyface at the end of an email doesn't hide the
> > elitist attitude the spews from the mootools crew. All hail mootools
> > they hath spoken. (sorry for sandbagging all the nice ones)" ...
>
> > this is just stupid bullshit at this point ... elite ... elitist...
>
> > come on ...
>
> > :)
> > Jeremy
>
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Guillermo Rauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > wrote:
> > Solutions to your problem:
> > - If you get too much correspondence: Abridged / Digest subscription  
> > type of Google Groups
> > - If you don't like what Google Groups looks like: Nabble (forums-
> > like interface to a mailing list)
> > - If you want a full-fledged bulletin board: Mooforum
>
> > Enough has been said on this topic. Let's move on
>
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:57 PM, tombmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > wrote:
>
> > Valerio,
>
> > I'd just like to maybe inject this one little thought. What happens if
> > we don't subscribe to the mailing list and come to the actual groups
> > webpage to find help or new information. That is the advantage of a
> > forum and the pain a lot of people are facing when coming here for the
> > first time. It took me a while to think about joining, but after a
> > while I stopped the email being sent to me. I get enough email, as I'm
> > sure everyone else on the internet can attest to.
>
> > That is why when I continue to ask about the state of things and I get
> > answers like just setup a filter I wonder if you guys really
> > understand peoples issues.
>
> > If anyone out there wants to take the mootools code and make a
> > commercial product out of it, so that I can pay for better support
> > than mootools provides, please do so. I know a lot of people who
> > would. At this point mootools seems as viable as wall street. Sure its
> > got a solid foundation, but take a look at what happens when the elite
> > don't care about the people.
>
> > And seriously, a happyface at the end of an email doesn't hide the
> > elitist attitude the spews from the mootools crew. All hail mootools
> > they hath spoken. (sorry for sandbagging all the nice ones)
>
> > --
> > Guillermo Rauch
> >http://devthought.com

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