Very well stated Aaron. And besides the mootorial, there is also Aarons book by Apress, which you can now find a quick link to on the mootools.net website in the lower left (also a link to mooforum.net was added to the Community section on the right). Cmon Aaron...plug plug plug! LOL
On Sep 18, 8:44 am, nutron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you, the core developers, find that forums are just tiresome and > > none-productive, I totally respect and understand that. You want to > > spend your time developing. How about just setting up a forum (doesn't > > take too long!) and find some dedicated individuals willing to > > moderate it (doesn't take too long either!)? Just set it up and never > > visit it at all. At least you have then given the community an > > official place to hang out, share, connect and most importantly: GROW! > > Hi, I'm Aaron, and I'm part of the dev group. > > I thought I'd answer this question directly, since the current state of the > forums is, in some part, my responsibility (not wholly, but partially). > About a year ago maybe, I'm not 100% sure, we, the dev group, were > struggling with the forums. On the one hand, it made the community visible > and easy to interact with. On the other hand, it was indeed, full of total > noobs. The noobs being there didn't bother us though. It was the interaction > between the *lazy* posters and the more advanced users (and even, sometimes, > members of the dev group). > > The "lazy" users were the ones who just showed up and said "Accordion > doesn't work" or whatever. They didn't follow the instructions. They didn't > search for an answer first. They rarely supplied code and, when they did, it > was often very clear that helping that person was going to be fruitless - > they didn't want to learn. They only wanted their page to do something so > they could move on to their next copy and paste activity. > > The more advanced users, understandably, grew tired of this sort of behavior > and increasingly reacted negatively to it. If someone showed up and posted > something like "Framework X doesn't do this. This is stupid." then all hell > would break loose. > > The result was that, increasingly, MooTools was getting a bad rep (and by > extension the dev group were, too). The general perception was that we were > unfriendly towards new comers and downright brutal towards them sometimes. > It was perceived that we had a strong dislike towards jQuery and that we > viewed ourselves as superior to all other frameworks. Despite our efforts to > say otherwise (for > example,http://www.mootorial.com/wiki/mootorial/00a-mootoolsvsothers), this > rep > persisted. > > The debate was between two options: close the forums entirely or just let it > run rampant. The latter didn't seem like a good option. > > It was MY idea to disassociate the forums from the MooTools site entirely, > and I'm still glad we did it. How people conduct themselves here in these > forums (or mooforum.net) is up to them. The reputation that our community > gets is up to or community to earn and shape. But no longer is the project > itself responsible for it (well, it never could have been, but at least this > way it's less likely that the framework and its developers will be held > accountable for it). > > I actually suggested first that we set up something like mooforum.net. Just > take the exact software and everything and move it to another domain. The > devs could, for the most part, stay the hell away from it. I even suggested > we set up some generic forum about javascript frameworks and invite other > frameworks to send their users there (mootools.jsforums.com, > jquery.jsforums.com, etc). That suggestion didn't go over that well, but > everyone did agree on moving the forums away from Mootools.net, and so we > have what we have now. > > I hope that this clears things up a bit. We do want to see MooTools grow and > we do want new users to be able to learn it (hello mootorial!), and we are > friendly, helpful people (the devs and most of the community alike). But our > first priority is to build a solid framework that people can use, and having > the forums not be our responsibility is a huge benefit. It's a weight off > our minds as well as a daily chore we don't have a lot of time for. > > So we charge you - all of you - to be nice and helpful wherever possible. > When someone is being lazy or ugly towards you, just walk away. If you can't > say anything nice at all... find someone who needs your help and respects > you and help them instead. > > Sorry this rant is rather long... > > -Aaron > > ----- > The MooTools Tutorial: http://www.mootorial.comwww.mootorial.com > CNET Clientside: http://clientside.cnet.comclientside.cnet.com > -- > View this message in > context:http://n2.nabble.com/Missing-mootools-blog-updates-tp1092259p1098560.... > Sent from the MooTools Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
