It has been good watching the google group over the last few weeks (with all this discussion over MooTools communication medium) I have been most impressed by Aaron and Thomas completely answering peoples questions about the forum and the mailing group.
Go MooTools. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:04 PM, electronbender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Yes, seriously guys. > You are the core developers, i dont see why you are getting so cramped > up answering newbies on the forums. > Those things should be moderated like hell, keeping post like those > out of the loop and keeping everyone happy. > It seams to me like the downfall of the foums was completly > avoidable. > I'm sure that there are plenty of people that are active in the forums > that would be more than happy to keep the newbies at bay, or at > minimum, have them conforming to the forum rules. > > On Sep 19, 1:59 am, CroNiX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very well stated Aaron. And besides the mootorial, there is also > > Aarons book by Apress, which you can now find a quick link to on the > > mootools.net website in the lower left (also a link to mooforum.net > > was added to the Community section on the right). Cmon Aaron...plug > > plug plug! LOL > > > > On Sep 18, 8:44 am, nutron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > If you, the core developers, find that forums are just tiresome and > > > > none-productive, I totally respect and understand that. You want to > > > > spend your time developing. How about just setting up a forum > (doesn't > > > > take too long!) and find some dedicated individuals willing to > > > > moderate it (doesn't take too long either!)? Just set it up and never > > > > visit it at all. At least you have then given the community an > > > > official place to hang out, share, connect and most importantly: > GROW! > > > > > Hi, I'm Aaron, and I'm part of the dev group. > > > > > I thought I'd answer this question directly, since the current state of > the > > > forums is, in some part, my responsibility (not wholly, but partially). > > > About a year ago maybe, I'm not 100% sure, we, the dev group, were > > > struggling with the forums. On the one hand, it made the community > visible > > > and easy to interact with. On the other hand, it was indeed, full of > total > > > noobs. The noobs being there didn't bother us though. It was the > interaction > > > between the *lazy* posters and the more advanced users (and even, > sometimes, > > > members of the dev group). > > > > > The "lazy" users were the ones who just showed up and said "Accordion > > > doesn't work" or whatever. They didn't follow the instructions. They > didn't > > > search for an answer first. They rarely supplied code and, when they > did, it > > > was often very clear that helping that person was going to be fruitless > - > > > they didn't want to learn. They only wanted their page to do something > so > > > they could move on to their next copy and paste activity. > > > > > The more advanced users, understandably, grew tired of this sort of > behavior > > > and increasingly reacted negatively to it. If someone showed up and > posted > > > something like "Framework X doesn't do this. This is stupid." then all > hell > > > would break loose. > > > > > The result was that, increasingly, MooTools was getting a bad rep (and > by > > > extension the dev group were, too). The general perception was that we > were > > > unfriendly towards new comers and downright brutal towards them > sometimes. > > > It was perceived that we had a strong dislike towards jQuery and that > we > > > viewed ourselves as superior to all other frameworks. Despite our > efforts to > > > say otherwise (for example, > http://www.mootorial.com/wiki/mootorial/00a-mootoolsvsothers), this rep > > > persisted. > > > > > The debate was between two options: close the forums entirely or just > let it > > > run rampant. The latter didn't seem like a good option. > > > > > It was MY idea to disassociate the forums from the MooTools site > entirely, > > > and I'm still glad we did it. How people conduct themselves here in > these > > > forums (or mooforum.net) is up to them. The reputation that our > community > > > gets is up to or community to earn and shape. But no longer is the > project > > > itself responsible for it (well, it never could have been, but at least > this > > > way it's less likely that the framework and its developers will be held > > > accountable for it). > > > > > I actually suggested first that we set up something like mooforum.net. > Just > > > take the exact software and everything and move it to another domain. > The > > > devs could, for the most part, stay the hell away from it. I even > suggested > > > we set up some generic forum about javascript frameworks and invite > other > > > frameworks to send their users there (mootools.jsforums.com, > > > jquery.jsforums.com, etc). That suggestion didn't go over that well, > but > > > everyone did agree on moving the forums away from Mootools.net, and so > we > > > have what we have now. > > > > > I hope that this clears things up a bit. We do want to see MooTools > grow and > > > we do want new users to be able to learn it (hello mootorial!), and we > are > > > friendly, helpful people (the devs and most of the community alike). > But our > > > first priority is to build a solid framework that people can use, and > having > > > the forums not be our responsibility is a huge benefit. It's a weight > off > > > our minds as well as a daily chore we don't have a lot of time for. > > > > > So we charge you - all of you - to be nice and helpful wherever > possible. > > > When someone is being lazy or ugly towards you, just walk away. If you > can't > > > say anything nice at all... find someone who needs your help and > respects > > > you and help them instead. > > > > > Sorry this rant is rather long... > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > ----- > > > The MooTools Tutorial: http://www.mootorial.comwww.mootorial.com > > > CNET Clientside: http://clientside.cnet.comclientside.cnet.com > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/Missing-mootools-blog-updates-tp1092259p1098560.... > > > Sent from the MooTools Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >
