If memory serves me correctly, 2001 was NOT in
continuous release from April 1968 to (a
minimum January) 1970. It premiered in NYC the
same week as Planet of the Apes.
I saw both within two weeks time in
1968. While Planet of the Apes scored high
audience response, 2001 perplexed moviegoers
and disappeared pretty quickly from first-run
theaters. Planet of the Apes continued to roll
for several months before it too was 'retired' from first-run release.
Maybe some of the old-timers can back me on
this, but when "Star Wars" hit the
one-year-in-release mark in 1978, the industry
proclaimed it as the first movie since Gone
With the Wind to stay in continuous release for a FULL year.
While I don't own one, I've seen 2001 R1970
posters clearly marked as such. This poster
appears to be an anomaly if the 'R' is not present.
--- On Sat, 3/20/10, Bruce Hershenson <brucehershen...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Bruce Hershenson <brucehershen...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS?
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 2:32 PM
This is a valid point. But in these
circumstances it is also vital to include the
original release date as well, and to explain
what you explain below on the auction
description, especially on a $2,000 poster.
When I sell GWTW items from either 1940 or
1941, I have a lengthy explanation that
explains that the movie was in continuous
release during those years, but that new
posters were prepared in 1940 and 1941, and I add it to those items.
Similarly, when I sell items from Wings from
the 1928 or 1929 releases, I explain that with
a similar long saved explanation detailing all that happened.
I think it would be irresponsible and deceptive
to sell a 1940 GWTW item or a 1928 Wings items
and solely give the year, and trust that
"everyone" knows the original release date or
the entire story, and not mention it.
Penny wise and pound foolish!
Bruce
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 <gre...@ha.com> wrote:
The film â2001; A Space Odysseyâ was NOT
rereleased in 1970, as far as all of my
research tells me. It was in continuous
release from its 1968 debut up through 1970.
They did revamp the campaign, as almost all are
aware, in 1969-1970 to include the
âStar-Childâ artwork and the âPsychedelic
Eyeâ design. The half sheet we sold
yesterday, which I have never seen before and I
am a â2001â collector, was dated 1970 but
note there was no R before the date on the
poster. That is because the poster was part of
the same continual release of this film.
In fact , many of the one sheet posters with
the 1970 date have the 1968 NSS stamp on the
backside. The âStarchildâ one sheet from
that printing have been known to have the Style
âDâ on them as well as that would be the
style not used in the 1968 release.
I know that some would perhaps claim that since
it is not from 1968, it must be rerelease but
would the same people claim that the 1940
release of Gone with the Wind is a rerelease?
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mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS?
Questions:
Why was it not described as a re-release? I
thought that was the scurviest eBay trick
(listing the year only, but not the re-release aspect).
WHO determined THIS is the "Holy Grail" piece for 2001 collectors?
How and when did it get a $2000 reserve? Before
or after the bid of $2,000 was placed?
If I were a rich casual collector, I might well
bid on this poster, never realizing I was
bidding on a re-release, or that the piece is a
"Holy Grail" in the minds of the consignor and
the auctioneer only. But once I found out the
truth, I would be mightily pissed off.
Penny wise and pound foolish!
Bruce
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Brude <brude2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
Waaaay over-priced for a 1970 RR half-sheet.
Opening bid of $200 is more in line (and I still wouldn't buy it).
--- On Sat, 3/20/10, Helmut Hamm <texasmu...@web.de > wrote:
From: Helmut Hamm <texasmu...@web.de >
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS?
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:08 PM
Of course, we won't hear the end of every story
out there, but I'm pretty optimistic, that the
majority of 'recorded' sales actually go
through. Of course, sometimes the same copy of
a poster comes back to auction, but I'm under
the impression that quite a number of
high-priced posters are not nearly as rare as they are (were?) assumed to be.
Be that as may, what do you guys think of this $2,000 poster:
I think I've seen it somewhere before, but
$2,390 for an R70 halfsheet on A SPACE ODYSSEY? And only one bidder.
<http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7019&Lot_No=85470>http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7019&Lot_No=85470
I think I've seen it somewhere before, but I'm
not sure. $2,390 for an R70 halfsheet on A SPACE ODYSSEY? And only one bidder.
HH
Am 20.03.2010 um 16:45 schrieb Bruce Hershenson:
> Remember that items that "sell" for high
prices often return to the auction block in
the very next auction (or a couple of auctions
later). Maybe the buyers never paid, or maybe
the consignors bought their own items, or
whatever. We are never told "the rest of the story".
>
> But LOTS of people have been sucked in to
buying a poster for say, $2,000 because it is
a bargain since it previously "sold" for
$4,000, when it may well be that the $4,000 "sale" was never consummated.
>
> Bruce
>
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