Here's an interesting piece regarding roadshows... http://cinemasightlines.com/showmanship_roadshow.php
I have never considered roadshow engagements as a barometer of a film's overall success or longevity. Not that I discredit roadshows. No, no, no. My first screening of 2001 was in Manhattan at one of the theaters mentioned previously -- an obvious roadshow. At that time I did not know a 'roadshow' from a 'peepshow,' but in retrospect those showings in NYC, where 2001 played for many, many weeks, were just that...roadshows. I don't think you can compare the contractual engagement of 2001 at one of those theaters to the first-run success that Star Wars enjoyed worldwide. Remember, Star Wars was playing at many first-run theaters -- to many sold-out shows -- for a solid year. That contrasts starkly with a roadshow engagement. (And please, do not equate this as a comparison of the two movies, i.e. which one is 'better.' I love them both.) My second screening of 2001 was at a drive-in theater in upstate New York, Hudson I think. That was 1970 or 1971. I do not count this engagement as a movie still in it's first run. "2001" was coming around again... Night of the Living Dead (also produced in 1968) played drive-ins well into the 80s. The Rocky Horror Picture Show played midnight shows for many, many years. According to Forrest J. Ackerman (bless his soul), the 1933 King Kong has played everyday at a South African theater since it's original release. It goes on and on until cable TV and VHS. The 1970 poster sold at HA is -- what I and many others would consider -- a re-release even if it is not marked as such. The posters dated 1968 are the ones I would consider as original to the first run. Since there is no 'R' attributed to the date on the poster, HA did not misrepresent it and there is a valid point that -- technically -- it was still in release. But, if someone wants to buy said poster for 2K-plus, they obviously (hopefully) know what they want, know what they are getting, and have enough money and brains not to be misled. Absolutely enjoyed all of the 2001 memories that MoPo's esteemed members have presented. Solid group! Ted --- On Sun, 3/21/10, peter contarino <[email protected]> wrote: From: peter contarino <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 3:03 PM Grey is correct. Is this not common knowledge among collectors?? -Peter From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Richard Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? I gotta agree with Grey on this. By definition a "re-release" is a secondary release of the film that takes place *after* the film's initial run has been completed and it has not be generally available for viewing at the theaters for at least a few months (usually years). Since 2001 was in continuous release between 1968 and 1970 -- and one could go to see it anytime they wanted during that period at large numbers of theaters in any metropolitan area -- any poster printed during this time frame must be considered part of the initial release of the film. Thus it should not have an "R" next to the date on the NSS line, nor should it be called a "re-release" just because it was printed in 1969 or 1970. -- JR Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: The film “2001; A Space Odyssey” was NOT rereleased in 1970, as far as all of my research tells me. It was in continuous release from its 1968 debut up through 1970. They did revamp the campaign, as almost all are aware, in 1969-1970 to include the “Star-Child” artwork and the “Psychedelic Eye” design. The half sheet we sold yesterday, which I have never seen before and I am a “2001” collector, was dated 1970 but note there was no R before the date on the poster. That is because the poster was part of the same continual release of this film. In fact , many of the one sheet posters with the 1970 date have the 1968 NSS stamp on the backside. The “Starchild” one sheet from that printing have been known to have the Style “D” on them as well as that would be the style not used in the 1968 release. I know that some would perhaps claim that since it is not from 1968, it must be rerelease but would the same people claim that the 1940 release of Gone with the Wind is a rerelease? From: MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? Questions: Why was it not described as a re-release? I thought that was the scurviest eBay trick (listing the year only, but not the re-release aspect). WHO determined THIS is the "Holy Grail" piece for 2001 collectors? How and when did it get a $2000 reserve? Before or after the bid of $2,000 was placed? If I were a rich casual collector, I might well bid on this poster, never realizing I was bidding on a re-release, or that the piece is a "Holy Grail" in the minds of the consignor and the auctioneer only. But once I found out the truth, I would be mightily pissed off. Penny wise and pound foolish! Bruce On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Brude <[email protected]> wrote: Waaaay over-priced for a 1970 RR half-sheet. Opening bid of $200 is more in line (and I still wouldn't buy it). --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Helmut Hamm <[email protected]> wrote: From: Helmut Hamm <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:08 PM Of course, we won't hear the end of every story out there, but I'm pretty optimistic, that the majority of 'recorded' sales actually go through. Of course, sometimes the same copy of a poster comes back to auction, but I'm under the impression that quite a number of high-priced posters are not nearly as rare as they are (were?) assumed to be. Be that as may, what do you guys think of this $2,000 poster: I think I've seen it somewhere before, but $2,390 for an R70 halfsheet on A SPACE ODYSSEY? And only one bidder. http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7019&Lot_No=85470 I think I've seen it somewhere before, but I'm not sure. $2,390 for an R70 halfsheet on A SPACE ODYSSEY? And only one bidder. HH Am 20.03.2010 um 16:45 schrieb Bruce Hershenson: > Remember that items that "sell" for high prices often return to the auction block in the very next auction (or a couple of auctions later). Maybe the buyers never paid, or maybe the consignors bought their own items, or whatever. We are never told "the rest of the story". > > But LOTS of people have been sucked in to buying a poster for say, $2,000 because it is a bargain since it previously "sold" for $4,000, when it may well be that the $4,000 "sale" was never consummated. > > Bruce > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. 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