True to my word, I will post no more on this subject (unless I am personally attacked). So if it keeps going and gets tiresome, it won't be because of me.
Bruce On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Brude <[email protected]> wrote: > Here's an interesting piece regarding roadshows... > > http://cinemasightlines.com/showmanship_roadshow.php > > I have never considered roadshow engagements as a barometer of a film's > overall success or longevity. Not that I discredit roadshows. No, no, no. > My first screening of 2001 was in Manhattan at one of the theaters mentioned > previously -- an obvious roadshow. > > At that time I did not know a 'roadshow' from a 'peepshow,' but in > retrospect those showings in NYC, where 2001 played for many, many weeks, > were just that...roadshows. I don't think you can compare the contractual > engagement of 2001 at one of those theaters to the first-run success that > Star Wars enjoyed worldwide. > > Remember, Star Wars was playing at many first-run theaters -- to many > sold-out shows -- for a solid year. That contrasts starkly with a roadshow > engagement. > > (And please, do not equate this as a comparison of the two movies, i.e. > which one is 'better.' I love them both.) > > My second screening of 2001 was at a drive-in theater in upstate New York, > Hudson I think. That was 1970 or 1971. I do not count this engagement as a > movie still in it's first run. "2001" was coming around again... > > Night of the Living Dead (also produced in 1968) played drive-ins well into > the 80s. The Rocky Horror Picture Show played midnight shows for many, many > years. According to Forrest J. Ackerman (bless his soul), the 1933 King > Kong has played everyday at a South African theater since it's original > release. It goes on and on until cable TV and VHS. > > The 1970 poster sold at HA is -- what I and many others would consider -- a > re-release even if it is not marked as such. The posters dated 1968 are the > ones I would consider as original to the first run. > > Since there is no 'R' attributed to the date on the poster, HA did not > misrepresent it and there is a valid point that -- technically -- it was > still in release. But, if someone wants to buy said poster for 2K-plus, they > obviously (hopefully) know what they want, know what they are getting, and > have enough money and brains not to be misled. > > Absolutely enjoyed all of the 2001 memories that MoPo's esteemed members > have presented. Solid group! > > Ted > > > --- On *Sun, 3/21/10, peter contarino <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: peter contarino <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 3:03 PM > > > Grey is correct. Is this not common knowledge among collectors?? > > -Peter > > > > * * > > > > *From:* MoPo List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *James > Richard > *Sent:* Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:56 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > > > > I gotta agree with Grey on this. By definition a "re-release" is a > secondary release of the film that takes place *after* the film's initial > run has been completed and it has not be generally available for viewing at > the theaters for at least a few months (usually years). Since 2001 was in > continuous release between 1968 and 1970 -- and one could go to see it > anytime they wanted during that period at large numbers of theaters in any > metropolitan area -- any poster printed during this time frame must be > considered part of the initial release of the film. Thus it should not have > an "R" next to the date on the NSS line, nor should it be called a > "re-release" just because it was printed in 1969 or 1970. > > -- JR > > Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote: > > > > The film “2001; A Space Odyssey” was NOT rereleased in 1970, as far as all > of my research tells me. It was in continuous release from its 1968 debut > up through 1970. They did revamp the campaign, as almost all are aware, in > 1969-1970 to include the “Star-Child” artwork and the “Psychedelic Eye” > design. The half sheet we sold yesterday, which I have never seen before and > I am a “2001” collector, was dated 1970 but note there was no R before the > date on the poster. That is because the poster was part of the same > continual release of this film. > > > > In fact , many of the one sheet posters with the 1970 date have the 1968 > NSS stamp on the backside. The “Starchild” one sheet from that printing have > been known to have the Style “D” on them as well as that would be the style > not used in the 1968 release. > > > > I know that some would perhaps claim that since it is not from 1968, it > must be rerelease but would the same people claim that the 1940 release of > Gone with the Wind is a rerelease? > > > > > > > > *From:* MoPo List > [mailto:[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *Bruce Hershenson > *Sent:* Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:27 AM > *To:* > [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > > > > Questions: > > Why was it not described as a re-release? I thought that was the scurviest > eBay trick (listing the year only, but not the re-release aspect). > > *WHO* determined *THIS* is the "Holy Grail" piece for 2001 collectors? > > How and when did it get a $2000 reserve? Before or after the bid of $2,000 > was placed? > > If I were a rich casual collector, I might well bid on this poster, never > realizing I was bidding on a re-release, or that the piece is a "Holy Grail" > in the minds of the consignor and the auctioneer only. But once I found out > the truth, I would be mightily pissed off. > > Penny wise and pound foolish! > > Bruce > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Brude > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Waaaay over-priced for a 1970 RR half-sheet. > Opening bid of $200 is more in line (and I still wouldn't buy it). > > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 3/20/10, Helmut Hamm > <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > >* wrote: > > > From: Helmut Hamm <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Any bets on METROPOLIS? > To: > [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:08 PM > > > > Of course, we won't hear the end of every story out there, but I'm pretty > optimistic, that the majority of 'recorded' sales actually go through. Of > course, sometimes the same copy of a poster comes back to auction, but I'm > under the impression that quite a number of high-priced posters are not > nearly as rare as they are (were?) assumed to be. > > Be that as may, what do you guys think of this $2,000 poster: > > I think I've seen it somewhere before, but $2,390 for an R70 halfsheet on A > SPACE ODYSSEY? And only one bidder. > > http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=7019&Lot_No=85470 > > I think I've seen it somewhere before, but I'm not sure. $2,390 for an R70 > halfsheet on A SPACE ODYSSEY? And only one bidder. > > HH > > Am 20.03.2010 um 16:45 schrieb Bruce Hershenson: > > > Remember that items that "sell" for high prices often return to the > auction block in the very next auction (or a couple of auctions later). > Maybe the buyers never paid, or maybe the consignors bought their own items, > or whatever. We are never told "the rest of the story". > > > > But LOTS of people have been sucked in to buying a poster for say, $2,000 > because it is a bargain since it previously "sold" for $4,000, when it may > well be that the $4,000 "sale" was never consummated. > > > > Bruce > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: > [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely > responsible for its content. > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: > [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: > [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: > [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > Send a message addressed to: [email protected] > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ How to > UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: > [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF > MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
