>From my own experience with "rare", non-movie poster items on eBay, I'd be willing to bet if the bidding starts at 99 cents or $9.99, this rarest of rare Alien books will sell for a hundred bucks or less... In a message dated 6/22/2012 7:41:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com writes:
I say let the market speak for itself....start the book off low...if it is truly a unique piece you will usually get near what the market can bear. Aside from props on the Alien movie I don't see a ton of value in the paper. It was a good movie but nowhere as influential as Star Wars, which this movie probably would have not been made without it. Star Wars has some movie paper that can bring a few thousand dollars...the birthday cake, the mylars, etc...but I have yet to see any Alien paper to bring even $500 or more. Plus when you say less than 30..means there is still a supply (29 is still a lot) out there so the price doesn't justify the demand for a few photos. -----Original Message----- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Freeman Fisher Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:51 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced I tried nicely to explain to you nicely about the impressive bid brochures I received in the 70's including exactly the ALIEN book you are selling and also sited other examples including OUTLAND, EXCALIBUR and others, printed on photographic paper then spiral bound and sent to others outside the studio in the industry. I am not going to get in a pissing match with you because you're tiresome. If you look at my original post I tried to explain that some were photographic, others offset/printed depending on the needs. Indeed they are still scarce but to claim "less than 30 printed" is preposterous. If you knew how many execs were at Fox (that doesn't even include producers, licensing etc.) at the time you would know even that amount doesn't hold water. Also we received these books well before a single poster was printed or trailer created......literally in some cases a year in advance as was the case here. But good look on your endeavors and pricing. freeman On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: > These are not off-set printed booklets. > > These are made of individual photographs printed by Stanley Bielecki's photo lab using Bob Penn's negatives. Stanley Bielecki printed them in his darkroom using Kodak photographic stock paper... they were then bound using one of the folio spiral bindings you could get at office supplies. If you look at the Alien text page -- the one with white lettering on a black box -- you'll see the copyright was added as an after thought with a typed file folder label. > > It's easy to think the images are on paper, but they're not. > > Stanley Bielecki was also the same photographer who hand printed the photos that were folio bound into the Star Wars cast and crew wrap gifts -- the Glory Book. > > Please look up the history of Star Wars Glory books. This item is a known collectors item and can be found online at other places than mrsminiver's ebay listing, 390426055170 Lucasfilm and Gus Lopez on swca.com used to have it up, as well as some movie prop collectors sites, but I can't find it right now in a 2 minute search. I'm sure you can find proof of its existence by searching the web. > > As the Star Wars Glory Book is known among collectors -- one MOPO dealer even contacted us to buy ours after we started posting about our Heritage problem -- and its provable, limited production is not simply a statement I am making to increase it's rarity, it is Star Wars history. > > You are talking about the manufactured booklets that were offset printed for distribution. Not the same beast. The way to tell is to look at the paper stock and Alien copyright -- was it a file folder label pasted on as an afterthought? > > Believe me, by the time they get around to sending stuff to theater distributors, the copyright is not an afterthought. > > If you want the promo theater booklet for Star Wars, we have SEALED, unopened boxes of the theater folio, which still have intact the embossed Star Wars logo ribbon. These are SEALED, unopened boxes... > > To get an idea of the off-set Star Wars booklet, you can go here: > > http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=11327001 > > They were originally sent in a white mailer-type of box with a ribbon closure. The folios, without their boxes, are very common. The folios with open boxes sometimes come up on ebay. > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/cam1.JPG > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/Cam9.JPG > > The sealed, unopened boxes are rarer... How many people receive a box and don't open it? > > You can also ask Rudy Franchi about Charley's marketing of Star Wars. > > Charley's marketing of Star Wars, especially the advance merchandising and licensing, changed the way movies are marketed. There were a few films released before Star Wars with advance merchandising and licensing, such as Paramount's "The Great Gatsby" and 20th Century's "Doctor Doolittle" but for box office results -- but it was Star Wars' Kenner line which changed movie marketing. > > > From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art <sa...@comic-art.com> > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced > > I have similar ring binder books for Willow and for Chariots of Fire. > I may even have more than one each and I may even have others > > it's obvious that some are just photographic prints, while others look > like they were printed editions > > > At 10:59 AM 6/21/2012, Freeman Fisher wrote: > > Geraldine, > > Your description of this ALIEN booklet is not accurate. These > > booklets were sent out to exhibitor owners and execs. Back in the > > 1970's there still existed numerous blind bid states. I worked in > > Texas and it was the most extreme example given the sizes of > > Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio and Austin and the money those markets represented Blind bidding was when a theatre chain had to commit to a film, sometimes a year in advance, with terms outlined (1st two weeks at 70% 2nd two weeks at 60% etc.) and frequently putting up at times tens of thousands if not all together 100's of thousands of dollars on the blockbusters WITHOUT EVER SEEING A SCRAP OF FILM. So these booklets were sent out prior to bidding and came in all kinds of formats.....some just a couple of fold out pages to nice booklets with on set photography. If my memory isn't completely failing, I recall booklets on STAR WARS, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, APOCALYPSE NOW, WILLOW, OUTLAND, EXCALIBUR and a few others that were really impressive. Others like ET (at the time called A BOY'S LIFE) were just gate folded brochures (no picture of ET for sure that was such a huge secret). Same with RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, CLASH OF THE TITANS, etc. etc. > > And then some were just a single printed sheet saying who starred, > > produced and directed. (Can you imagine buying a car with a tarp > > over it and being given just a description and some art, commit to > > it, and not expect delivery for 9 to 12 months.......that was blind > > bidding!) > > > > Anyway to say only 30 were made is preposterous. Just in Texas alone there had to be at least 25 to 35 theatre chains, each film buyer and marketing guy receiving a copy. In the theatre chain I worked at, we usually would receive four to five and we were only in San Antonio. Now multiply those number by triple (or more) to accommodate the personnel at circuits like Plitt, AMC, General Cinema, United Artists, Mann, and you can see the numbers required approach a 1000 in no time. Plus certain critics at the major National News agencies received copies on occasion. > > > > Also a little common sense is in order. Once a brochure is on the printing press, or photos being printed and spiral bound, do you honestly think under 30 would be printed? Because once on the presses it almost as cheap to print several thousand as it is 20. The $$ are in the set-up. > > > > > > These pieces were not dissimilar to the Studio Release books from the 1930's that pop up frequently. > > > > > > So while it makes for great Ebay copy to limit their numbers to generate a false sense of scarcity. This is not the case with these marketing tools. Whether they have ever been in an auction or not is irrelevant. > > While you can ask whatever price you like, ($5000) as a MOPO buddy I just hate to see someone look so foolish.. > > > > > > freeman fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: > > > > > We've decided to put up our own auctions. Will be announcing posters later, but thought the avid Alien collector might be interested in this ebay item. > > > > > > Based on the successful marketing of Star Wars, Charley Lippincott was hired by Johnny Friedkin / Fox to market Alien. > > > > > > This ebay auction is for a rare photo booklet made for Fox's studio heads. > > > > > > ebay listing 290731119615 > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > _ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message > > > addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your > > > message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely > > > responsible for its content. > > > > > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > > > > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > > > > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List > Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu > In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L > The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. > > > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com > ___________________________________________________________________ > How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed > to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: > SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for > its content. > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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