David, I'm not denying Gold's contribution, just his description as
"the artist"
I'm sure that quite a few of the posters he's involved with in have
little input from him and could be as little as assigning the work
and placing the text. For instance, you can have no doubt that
anything Gold might have said to Frazetta about doing the painting to
the Gauntlet is restricted to "do you wanna do a poster for Clint" as
Fritz wouldn't even bother using someone else's sketch layout as an
image source, so Gold's total input on such an item is very small and
if you consider that he probably had typesetters in his offices - he
may not even have placed text, making his entire contribution
assigning the work. He would be in a similar situation with Bob Peak,
Birney Lettick, Richard Amsel and Roger Kastel. Gold's contribution
to Jaws may be as little as "Hey Roger, we need an image of a shark
attacking a girl" and likely has similar small contributions to the
final art of others used on these posters.
so art dealers like myself don't talk about Gold in the same manner
that poster collectors do.
There's a pretty good chance I'm the only guy on this list that has
sold paintings or other illustrations by Robert McGinnis, Frank
Frazetta and Bob Peak (among scores of others or course as I have
sold many 1000's of pieces of art) and in the art world, Bill Gold is
nobody. In the poster world his reputation is totally different - as
it should be - but when I finally get around to building a website
devoted to poster artists, or subsection to MoviePosterBid possibly,
Bill Gold will be categorized as a Poster Designer which is his
proper title in my book.
note: I do not have a copy of the Bill Gold book, largely because I
have as much interest in paying almost a thousand bucks for it as I
do burning my Blue Dahlia one sheet. When it finally comes out as a
$30 paperback, I'll jump at one. so because I don't have that book, I
don't have any list of posters where Bill Gold actually did do the
art. Did he just add the gun to Casablanca? Or did he actually do the
painting? If he did the painting, he would certainly deserve credit
as an artist for that piece (which would change his career credit to
Artist/Designer)
Rich
At 12:37 PM 11/10/2013, David wrote:
Rich
I have no argument with that fact he did not actually draw every
piece but at some point one must also accept that the art director
or the company owner (or whatever the position) is the person
responsible for the production of that piece and the 'artist' is
just a cog in the wheel - the buck has to stop somewhere.
Saatchi & Saatchi produce adverts for companies, no one really
believes Lord Saatchi or his brother Charles or even the current CEO
Kevin Robert actually came/come up with all the adverts, but if the
creative people behind those ads leave that company they are welcome
to lay claim that they worked on, designed, conceptualised etc the advert.
Movie Poster art is rarely signed and although maybe collected for
its 'art' is in fact a commercial piece of work and I think it is
fair to say it falls under a similar ruling.
As I said previously, I have always welcomed emails/contact from
more knowledgeable collectors to set me on the path to enlightenment
with corrected information. My articles are mostly my own amateur
research and are also organic pieces, none are set in stone. As has
been alluded there is limited information out there on the subject
and I am definitely not saying they are the definitive guide so
certainly happy if they are developed, expanded and added to for
future collectors to read and hopefully enjoy...sharing is caring. ;)
cheers
David
Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art did previously state on
11/11/2013 7:13 AM:
David
I just looked at the link and I have some critique about Bill Gold
while Gold did do art early in his career, for the most part he was
the head of an advertising agency and didn't create all that much "art".
He is more properly described as an art director and poster
designer and the actual art on the vast majority of the posters in
his resume were done by other artists including such greats as Bob
Peak and Roger Kastel. So while Gold certasinly deserves a
reputation as being involved in the creation of many great posters,
it is my opinion that identifying Gold as the artist is misleading,
much the same as indicating that the World Without End poster is by
Reynold Brown, when the main body of the poster is done by Albert Kallis
going farther afield, if you were to talk to dealers of
illustration art (like myself) about illustrators and poster
artists, Bill Gold doesn't even register on the radar when talking
about the posters in his resume
Rich
At 10:37 AM 11/10/2013, David wrote:
There is a little bit on a few artists and their work here:
http://www.vintagemovieposters.com.au/the-movie-poster-artists
Ari Kahan did previously state on 11/11/2013 3:47 AM:
While there are plenty of discussion groups for, and dealers in, movie
posters, I've been able to find almost nothing in the way of resources for
those interested in obtaining, collecting and discussing the
original poster
art - that is, the handmade, one of a kind paintings by Struzan, Alvin,
Corben, Davis, Bass, Amsel, etc., which are typically combined with
typography and other elements to become the poster.
There's a terrific website at http://www.meansheets.com that actually pays
attention to who created the art for the posters; there's
http://www.artinsights.com, which deals in some original John Alvin work,
but I've found little else.
Is it hiding? Does it not exist? Or am I just the world's worst searcher?
Thanks for any pointers.
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