indeed , and having "printed in belgium" doesn't mean it's an original vintage belgian poster but means that it's a reproduction of an original belgian poster ....
________________________________ From: MoPo List <[email protected]> on behalf of Helmut Hamm <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOPO] do i babble nonsense ? Dan does have a point here, the matter is not always that simple, and it actually can be quite tricky at times. Here's a perfect example, the British Onesheet for IPCRESS FILE: https://posteritati.com/poster/14591/the-ipcress-file-1965-british-one-sheet-poster [https://posteritati.com/posters/000/000/006/592/the-ipcress-file-md-web.jpg]<https://posteritati.com/poster/14591/the-ipcress-file-1965-british-one-sheet-poster> The Ipcress File 1965 British One Sheet Poster | Posteritati Movie Poster Gallery | New York<https://posteritati.com/poster/14591/the-ipcress-file-1965-british-one-sheet-poster> posteritati.com The Ipcress File 1965 British One Sheet Poster at Posteritati.com This poster is for a British film. It was commissioned by the British producers, printed in Italy, and used exclusively outside of the UK. Still, there has never been any issue over the fact that this IS a British Onesheet. Simple as that. Also, if one has the necessary experience, for at least 99.5% of vintage movie posters out there it is perfectly possible to determine the country of origin. There are exceptions, but they are extremely rare. Helmut www.filmposter.net<http://www.filmposter.net> Am 24.08.2016 um 06:26 schrieb Daniel Kinske <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: Yawn... On Aug 23, 2016, at 20:34, Principal Archivist <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well, having been likened (by Dan) to a phallus, now I feel compelled, after a long absence from this list, to return to defend myself. Dan (in particular)- to be clear, I was not the seller (nor the buyer) here; Filip was selling the poster, and had listed an International one-sheet as a US one-sheet. I had started this conversation off with him by suggesting that describing the poster as a US one-sheet was inappropriate. While I would probably have listed it as Canadian, "International" would have been another (even better and more accurate) option. Regardless, I do stand by the view that it's inappropriate to list an International one-sheet as a US one-sheet, without some indication that it is not SIMPLY a US one-sheet. "International style," "intended for foreign markets," "intended for Canada," or whatever.. but SOMEthing to indicate that it wasn't the vanilla US one-sheet. What was referred to, later in my conversation with Filip, as "nonsense" was NOT his assertion that the poster was a US one-sheet, but rather the broader assertion that a poster made in the USA, even for a non-US market, would always be referred to, without qualification, as a US poster: "the poster was made in the usa, therefor is a US poster." To Philip's point, that ratings boxes sometimes don't appear on US posters because, e.g., it's an advance poster, I would say that if a seller is selling an advance poster, they would normally say so, wouldn’t they? Don't collectors typically want to know if they're buying an advance, as opposed to an international, as opposed to a dead-standard version? It's just not that simple, as the back and forth in this thread amply demonstrates. I may have been a bit brusque in using the word "nonsense," for which I publicly apologize to Filip, but I was put off by the "if it's made in america, it's a US poster, simple as that" oversimplification of the issue. At the same time, having read through this thread, I recognize that my own take on it - that a poster is classified by the geography where it is intended to be displayed – is also not always right. And, sure, often it IS possible to tell where posters were manufactured - they may display union stamps, "Printed in Belgium" and the like, but just as often it is not; and I think it's a dangerous precedent to suggest that where a poster is printed is how it should be described - without exception and without qualification - for collectors' purposes, since it's only a matter of time before American studios and distributors start exporting production of some portion of posters destined for use in the US to China or elsewhere. Are we going to refer to those posters as Chinese? We have some real experts on this thread, and a divergence of opinion; Tommy agrees with me that international one sheets are not referred to as (simply) "US," while Helmut takes the view that anything printed in the US is a US poster; and Heritage is inconsistent. So, sure, "nonsense" may have been overstating my case, but (1) I don't think that makes me a "phallus," and (2) I stand by the view that posters like these are best described as "International" -- or something -- rather than, or in addition to, "US." Maybe we could move on to whether "one-sheet" should be hyphenated or not. ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [email protected] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
