Platt, I think we have gone far over the maximum posts per day. And I think things are sliding sloppily into the category of opinion. I'm out this evening, and away tomorrow, so I cry Uncle!
Marsha p.s. Free markets do not exist! At 04:28 PM 8/20/2007, you wrote: >Quoting MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > Platt, > > > > > > > > A free enterprise might promote something > > > > dynamic, but it does not help youngster develop > > > > high values. When Chris asked Phædrus what he > > > > should be when he grew up, he was told honest, > > > > not an entrepreneur. > >[Marsha] > > >I disagree. In a free market a dishonest > entrenpreneur won't last long. "You > > >can fool some of people some of the time . . > ." etc. Anyway, who do you think > > >makes motorcycles? And paints? And brushes? And canvases? > > > Free markets are like unicorns, they don't > > exist. > >Compared to socialist/communist countries, free markets do exist. > > > A dishonest entrepreneur can last a very > > long time. > >Not in a competitive free market. > > > And dishonest people in corporations > > have done big-time damage to tens-of-thousands of > > people. > >Nothing compared to what governments have done to damage people. > > > I would prefer my motorcycles, paints, > > brushes and canvases be made by artists. > >Plenty of "artists" in corporations who make motorcycles, paints, brushes and >canvases. I get my art supplies from "Cheap >Joe's," a quintessential capitalist >entrepreneur. > > > > > Your point-of-view is so > > > > entangled with economics that you don't seem to > > > > be able to see the forest for the trees. > > > > > >How so? > > > > Economics is like a religion of money. You were > > indoctrinated when a young boy, and that > > point-of-view has been reinforced ever since. If > > that is not true, give me some alternative > > suggestions to what might hold a people > together and bring them contentment. > >To be free to exchange goods and services in a >free society is the best arrangement >for life and living I can imagine. What is your alternative?. > > > > > I think > > > > self-respect, self-esteem and self-discipline > > > > should taught. > > > > > >Self-esteem and self-respect come from achievement. > > > > Might self-esteem and self-respect come knowing > > you have value? Or from knowing you are a part of a world that has value? > >Self-value comes from self-achievement. Just >knowing the world has value doesn't >do much for your self-esteem. > > > > > And if you possess those factors, > > > > you will see them in others. It's time to move > > > > beyond considering consumerism as the primary force in the world. > > > > > >I prefer consumerism as a force rather than > government as a force. Don't you? > > > > I'm not too keen on either of those two > > choices. I prefer sailing or gardening to both. > >Have you bought anything in order to be able to >sail or to garden? If you have, >I've made my point. > > > > > And I don't think I might be wrong. > > > > > >I think you might be. > > > > No, no. > >Yes, yes. > >Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
