Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Precisely the problem. Under affirmative action programs blacks can't > tell whether it was their competence or their color that got them accepted. > > [Arlo] > Evidence? Praytel, how would the white family that ended up with that > house know that it was their competence and not the color of their > skin that got them the house?
The law and ability to carry a mortgage. > How do you know a more qualified > "black" was never denied a position given to you, simply because you > have white skin? Affirmative action law. > [Arlo previously] > The "stepping to the head of the line" is far outnumbered by > incidents like I related, being denied opportunity because of the > color of their skin. > > [Platt] > Evidence? > > [Arlo] > Personal experience. Social reviews and studies I've read over many > years. What evidence do you present to the contrary? You made the claim, you provide the evidence. > > [Arlo responded to Platt's use of one Psychology Today story to > "prove" his point about Xenophobia being genetic] > This report hardly represents a consensus. > > [Platt] > Evidence? None. > > [Arlo] > I'm not your personal research assistant. Anyone with half a brain > can go to the library and search social- and psychology research > publications for keywords such as "xenophobia" and "racism". But you > want a paper to start with? > > ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/improving/docs/ser_racism_burns.pdf Locked up my computer. > http://www.jstor.org/view/07352751/mi000001/01a00010/0 Access restricted. > And heres a book you can read: > http://www.amazon.com/Social-Construction-Difference-Inequality-Sexuality/dp/0767429281 Sounds like postmodern propaganda that assumes facts are social constructions. > For fun: > > http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_imago/v052/52.3bohleber.html Access restricted. >From Wikipedia: The effects of Xenophobia (dislike against the genetically dissimilar out-group and nepotistic favoritism towards the genetically similar in-group) are analyzed by many sociobiological researchers. Some see it as an innate biological response on the part of the evolved human organism in inter-group competition. In his famous book, The Ethnic Phenomenon, Pierre L. van den Berghe, anthropological professor of the University of Washington, discusses the concepts of kin selection, ethnic nepotism and the biologically rooted tendency of people that are more similar genetically to behave more generously toward each other. Frank Salter, an ethological researcher of the Max Planck Institute, deals with similar "taboo" topics in his controversial book, On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethnicity and Humanity in An Age of Mass Migration; this work has been praised by well-known sociobiology innovator E.O. Wilson as "a fresh and deep contribution to the sociobiology of humans." Salter posits an "innate group-descent module" in the human mind to explain the universal occurrence of ethnic nepotism. In Salter's view, favoritism towards one's own ethnicity is an evolutionarily based, "objective" value and, from a political science perspective, Salter proposes a "universal nationalism", in which all planetary ethnic-based communities or nations have the right to preserve their own heritage and distinctiveness. > [Platt] > Evidence? None. Babies can't verbalize at the beginning, either, but > are hard-wired to speak. > > [Arlo] > Gee, I could do research for you again, or I can simply point out > that adopted babies of a different "race" do not fear or hate their > caregivers or family. They are not scared of the woman breast feeding > them because they are of a "different race". Nor do they cry when > held by the evil "not-like-me" parent. Its only later in life, after > socialized into racial hierachical thinking, do children learn to > fear those of a different skin color or custom-background. Apparently you didn't read what I pointed out about hard-wiring. > [Platt] > At last, have you no shame? Now you attack Ham for his beliefs, too. > You are becoming the Joe McCarthy of moq_discuss. > > [Arlo] > I'm not attacking Ham in any way I have vocalized many times. But > gotta love the Giant Pee Wee here. You, who fear all things commie > and leftist, who engage in the vilest of political rhetoric, > deception, distortion and fear-mongering calling _me_ Joe McCarthy. > Of all the outrageous ironies you've tried in the past, this is one > for the books. No shame at all. > [Platt] > Thanks. Your sarcasm and outrage prove my point. > > [Arlo] > Yes, they prove the continual insipid nature of your posts. Sarcasm and outrage never proved anything. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
