> [Joe]
> IMO Aristotle is unclear. His description of
abstraction, demanding a
> distinction between real existence and intentional
> existence, leading to SOM, has been a stumbling
> block. American philosophers are more pragmatic.
[Ham]
As Platt says, "the MOQ 'viewpoint' took our everyday
experience of everyday events." The MoQ is not a true
metaphysical thesis, since Pirsig's ontology extends
no further than the experiential world. This is why I
contend that Quality (which is experiential) does not
qualify as the primary source.
This is another way Ham veers away from the moq?
Ham demands an 'other worldly' essence that is
disconnected from everyday experiences.
The 'mountain-river' anology helps clear this up
(which is used in the MOQ, too).
a mountain is a mountain and a river is a river
a mountain is not a mountain and a river is not a
river
a mountain is really a mountain and a river is
really a river
The everyday world is not only static, but
dynamic. All is quality. Thus this everyday world is
thus a static process. Experience is this flowing
reality in which this source is this on-going process.
Experience is NOT locked into the intellectual level
only, but is this whole reality of social, organic,
inorganic, and dynamic. The everyday world is seen to
be enlightened, and the sacred is everywhere even in a
sand grain.
woods,
SA
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