[Craig, previously]
> I don't see the past as a "human mental concept". The concept of the past
> might be a human mental
> concept, but not the past itself. Nor do I see the past as existing.
> Whatever existed in the past might
> not exist now.
[Micah]
> Isn't the above contradictory? You don't see the past as existing, but the
> "past itself" (implying
> existence) is not a concept?
In order to show that 2 things are contradictory, you must have an argument
that proceeds from the truth of one to the falsity of the other. Where's your
argument?
1) The past does not exist now.
2) The past is not a concept.
The past is the whole of what has occurred before now. The concept of the past
exists now. So, the past cannot be a concept.
[Craig, previously]
> I don't see this as one of my premises. Some aspects of time might be
> independent of man ("Time and > tide wait for no man"); some aspects might
> not be. We know in what way time is independent of
> man in the same way we know in what way it isn't.
[Micah]
> Again, contradictory. We know time exists with man, we do not know what
> exists without man.
> Knowing implies man.
I believe the earth existed before man & that we have overwhelming evidence for
this. What additional do you require for knowledge?
[Craig, previously]
> I don't think time has been put anywhere by anybody.
[Micah]
> Maybe you should think about where time came from.
Done. Same result.
[Micah]
> What time is it, in the center of the universe? Is time measured in GMT, CST,
> MST, PST or "dog
> years" there? Our clocks measure the rotation of earth in our solar system,
> "time" is the mental concept > associated our solar system measurement,
> there is only now.
My guess is that you realize time is relative (also space, e.g., "center of the
universe"). From this it does not follow that "there is only now". Also time
is not confined to our solar system. Not only do we receive light from outside
our solar system, but we have sent probes outside our solar system which have
reported back.
Craig
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