Hi SA I appologise unreservedly for any faliures to answer recently, please dont read anything into it other than that I'm bogged down at work and then have no way to catch up on what I've missed. Will attempt to be more attentive. Your job sounds fascinating by the way.
I wasn't very clear and on re-reading I'm unpicking my own thoughts further. Perhaps it's easier if I ask a genuine question: If there are 2 populations of the same species living in separate locations, how can using mDNA analysis asses which is older if they share a common ancestor? Aren't we just measuring the age of the continuous line of that species, making no comment on where it was accross the period? If you have two populations that are the same species but apparently differnt ages is this evidence of convergent evolution? or that you misread the numbers? I need to do some reading here before unleashing further skepticisms. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Heather > Perella > Sent: 06 September 2007 15:12 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Australian Aboriginal charlatans put final nail > intoNeo-Darwinian coffin. > > > [Jos] > > > On the subject of DNA then how would you explain > > the similarities between primate and human DNA if > they > > > are not related? I'm not sure I understand how one > > > can choose to cite evidence from mitochondrial DNA > > > but ignore the evidence of full chromosomal > > > analysis? > > [gav] > > I guess all life has pretty similar DNA - cells is > > cells by and large. > > Gav, this is new evidence, right? We might be > familiar with the Homo sapiens journey. Out of Africa > theory (some hold out for Homo sapiens came from a > many branched 'tree trunk' from Homo erectus that had > already migrated Out of Africa and then Homo sapiens > came from Homo erectus 'spontaneously' at different > locations in the world) is says that Homo sapiens came > Out of Africa through the Middle East, India, and > eventually branched off into different migrations > paths that go to Australia, Eastern Asia, into Europe, > and eventually the Americas (in that order). The Out > of Africa theory goes along with a popular notion > called 'Mitochondrial Eve', which traces the > Mitochondrial DNA to a common mother/female. This > work has been going on for some time now. > Mitochondrial DNA has been studied from Australian > aborigines in these studies, and now, gav, your saying > a NEW study differs. I would like to see your source. > > [jos] > > > Further, I should point out mutation accumulations > > > only demonstrate the age of a distinct species, > > > which really means the time since the last mass > > > extinction. > > How do you conclude this? Unless your saying > Homo sapiens were here, and then all Homo sapiens > became extinct, and then Homo sapiens were able to > come back again. Through an extinction where a > population of Homo sapiens survives their DNA survives > and thus the are the connecting small population back > to when there were more of them, and now there are 6 > billion of us. Not sure what your saying here. By > the way, I've tried to converse with you recently and > you seem to think I'm mad at you and you don't answer. > When I'm mad, sarcastic, or very sad about something, > don't read between the lines for I come out and type > it. I'm very upfront about where my emotions are > going with a discussion. Right now, I'm just curious. > > [gav] > > the age of the species 'homo sapiens' was what i was > > talking about. i disagree about the extinction bit- > > mDNA would be traceable all the way back to the > > species' origin. > > > gav, mDNA only follows the matriarchal lineage, > not the entire species. > > [gav] > > mitochondrial DNA evidence suggesting that > > australia's (or melanesia's back then) aboriginal > people are far > > more ancient than other races is significant i > > believe. don't you? > > This is very new territory if true. I'm waiting > for the source. > > > thanks, gav, > SA > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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