Craig Can't see that postulates like this say anything contradictory about the MOQ suggestion that we recognise existence only in experience. We use the abstract expression 'earth' to refer to certain aspects of our experience. Maybe we should say our earth, the one we experience. Sure we can imagine that this idea, this potential object of experience, is older than a human life of seventy years, that it was the object of experience of our ancestors, and we can suggest that it could have been experienced billions of years agoif there had been anyone around to experience it. But that possibility no longer exists and it probably did not happen. Billions of years ago there was nothing around like us to create an experience of any 'earth'. In this sense 'earth' did not not and could not exist as an experience billions of years ago. The idea of our earth being billions of years old is a modern idea, it is this idea that creates the possible but never actual experience of an earth before even life existed on it. This idea of an ancient earth exists only for us and our created understanding of its duration. Hence, before science our reality was of a much younger earth. The 4.5 billion year old earth is an idea we have, and as such is subject to falsification. The MOQ is merely stating the obvious about how we can know anything, via experience and our making sense of that experience. The earth is 4.5 billion years old for us, that is how we experience it as moderns. Experience is not simply immediate, the levels mean that we are now human being with intellect and this has transformed what we experience.
David M ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic > [dmb] >> The MOQ says that experience brings "things" into existence. Instead of >> the usual view, it says that >> "things" are given reality by virtue of the distinctions we discover in >> experience. > > Let's look at a specific example: when did the earth come into existence? > 1) 4.5 billion years ago (according to scientists) > 2) 1 million years ago (according to early man) > 3) 6,000 years ago (according to the Bible) > > If 1) is correct, then the earth existed prior to our experience of it. > Craig > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
