Hi Gav Would society be transformed if we recognised all individuals as a source of value, and that all individuals have to realise what is of value for themselves?
And where we decide to undertake collective actions and have collective organisations these need to continually need to consider and confirm the values that determine how they behave? David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [MD] subject / object logic hey dave, ....and now we are moving from the paradigm of planet earth to mother earth - gaia, the superorganism. which brings us full circle back to the cosmogonical myths of the first peoples. this paradigm shift is not subtle. the implications are revolutionary. what was formerly an inert ball with some living stuff on it becomes a virtual deity, no an actual deity. the earth is transformed or re-recognised as sacred, all of it, indivisible and we are integrated with it. this doesn't mean shedding science, quite the contrary. science is enriched by a metaphysical reorientation and in turn enriches our traditional understandings immensely - offering wholly new analogues and structures withing which we can conceptualise and understand nature and ourselves. once the world is seen as an extension of the self; and the self a mirror of the world, then power returns to the individual. politics is superceded. the golden age returns because people decide it to be so. wonderful --- david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dmb said: > The MOQ says that experience brings "things" into > existence. Instead of the > usual view, it says that "things" are given reality > by virtue of the > distinctions we discover in experience. > > Craig replied: > Let's look at a specific example: when did the > earth come into existence? > 1) 4.5 billion years ago (according to scientists) > 2) 1 million years ago (according to early man) > 3) 6,000 years ago (according to the Bible) > > If 1) is correct, then the earth existed prior to > our experience of it. > > dmb says: > Actually, all three of these options would mean the > earth existed prior to > experience. All three assert a pre-existing > objective reality. All three > express the myth of the given, the > representationalist paradigm, the notion > of subjective mirroring of objective reality. In > other words, all three > options are based on the assumptions of SOM. If we > were interested in > picking the best option WITHIN that metaphysical > framework then #1 is the > choice that conforms to current scientific > understanding but that's not the > task. In terms of the MOQ, all three are false > insofar as they confuse the > conditions of possibility for experience with > concepts that follow from > experience. Like Dewey, the MOQ says that experience > is an event, a > transaction and not the result of the subject's > encounter with objects, not > even objects as big as a planet. In fact, the idea > of the earth as a planet > is only a few hundred years old. > > Gotta go. It's time to saddle up my dinosaur and > head off to church. > > Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and > earn great prizes! > http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
