At 08:14 AM 8/30/2007, you wrote: > > >[Marsha] >I think Ant states it clearly in his PhD thesis: > >As Pirsig rejects both mind-substance (i.e. the 'ghost') and >matter-substance (i.e. the 'machine') oriented ontologies of the world, >he employs one underpinned by value based events, Quality is considered >the source of subjects and objects and can be regarded as a Dynamic >event (1995a, p.12); an 'event at which the subject becomes aware of the >object.' (ZMM, 1974a, p.239) These Quality events (or processes), >therefore, obtain the status as the fundamental unit or 'primitives' of >the universe and provide a unity between the observer and the observed; >knowing mind and object. > >(A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of >Quality,2005,Watts, p.133) > >[Ron] >Greetings, Quality or value Happens when subject meets object. > >my question, no one is able to answer, not because my cup is full but no >one has >answered it yet, they keep posting clips of the same statement. the one >above. >my question is this, how can value both preceed and happen as result of >subject meeting object? >how does it both create subject and object and result from subject and >object meeting? >I ask: can it not be interpreted 2 possible ways? a third even if it is >interpreted >as both being true? >it's all I'm askin. >and all I'm observin is how these interpretations manifest themselves >here in the forum. >I'm of your ilk, I see all as one. but some here see value preceeding >s/o too and they are >just as vindicated in their interpretation. I ask if value preceeds s/o >it alludes >to a subjective standpoint of projecting ourselves on the universe we >experience. >I'm open to any and all thoughts on this. >thanks Marsha
Hi Ron, Are you looking for one absolute answer? That seems like a tough request where everything is relative, transient process. I can only explain the way I experience it. I will use the word quality rather than value because it makes more sense, to me, in respect to your question. If All is Quality(Dynamic & static) and Quality(Dynamic & static) is process, than, to me, it doesn't matter. All is process with no separation. There is no subject or object. That there is a perception of subject and object is just a mistaken static pattern of value. This s/o dualistic point-of-view is sometimes useful for solving problems in the way that we do, but still not reality. Your question: How can Quality both proceed and happen as a result of subject meeting object? There is only Quality. Subject is process, object is process, and process is Quality (Dynamic & static). The demarcation doesn't exist. If my statements don't make sense to you, keep at the question. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
