> [Ron previously]
> > Absolute universal truth is undefineable and
> unsenseable.
> [SA previously]
> Is it really universal and absolute then?
> Defining something as undefinable and unsenseable
> really leaves 'something' open.
> [Ron]
> Now this is a koan of sorts,is the unknowable
> absolute? it is absolutly
> undefineable and unsenseable
> by our perceptions, absolutly undefineable, this
> does leave room for infinite possibility
> therefore it is absolutly open, consequently every
> definition applied to it may be absolute
> for it is unknowable altogether.
> It is absolute in it's entirety for it
> encompasses everything.
Everything is undefinable?
[Ron]
> Even what is not. I'm describing the three realms of
> truth, truth of being, conceptual truth,
> and absolute truth.
> absolute truth is not a conceptual truth,
Therefore would that mean absolute truth is not
absolute? It doesn't "encompass everything."
[Ron]
> conceptual truth is not truth of being,
> truth of being is not absolute truth.
Therefore, absolute truth also doesn't
"encompass" another kind of truth, the "truth of
being", correct?
[Ron]
> I interpret Pirsig to mean just this,
> as well as Ham although I sense Ham focusing on the
> relationship of
> truth of being and absolute truth.
> I feel truth is a more descriptive term in lieu of
> quality or value but
> they all relate in the same way
> as I stated.The three are distinct yet aspects of
> the one, to apply one
> to another is the root of
> confusion.
Huh?
SA
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