Ham said: There are a several here who apparently skipped Science in school and regard metaphysics as a branch of Physics. They're looking for factual answers about the universe and are frustrated that the intelligentsia in this forum aren't forthcoming with them. Since intuitive concepts are new to these folks, their first impulse is to attack the messenger. They'll quote what Pirsig says on every issue; but, unfortunately, despite naming his philosophy the Metaphysics of Quality, what Pirsig actually said about metaphysics was mostly disparaging.
dmb says: Disparaging? Apparently there is no shortage of disparaging remarks about metaphysics among professionals. Its considered a dead end in most places and there are very good philosophical reasons for that. In Pirsig's case, he hesitates to construct a metaphysics of Quality simply because of what Quality is. Its not an "accident of history". As the pre-intellectual ground of experience it is simply not possible to capture it in intellectual terms. But the real problem here is not that MOQers love science above all or that that somehow fear intuitive concepts, its that the MOQ is radically empirical. Like other pragmatists, Pirsig wants to get rid of all the extra-experiential, fictional metaphysical entities such as your "essence". Radical empiricism says that no experience and be ignored in our account of reality nor can our accounts assert realities unknown in experience such as your "essence". Basically, this view equate experience and reality and this renders certain concepts obsolete, such as your essence. It's not personal, Ham. Since we don't even remotelly know each other, how could it be personal? Its just that your ideas are pretty much everything the MOQ is against. The failure to get any traction here has nothing to do with whether or not anybody thinks you're a good guy. Its about the ideas, which are wildly opposed to what's going on here. If I had any complaints about you personally, it would only be that you refuse to acknowledge that fact. Well, that and the fact that yer momma goes down on Egyptians. Thanks,, dmb _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
