Hi Ham I'd suggest there is much about experience that is ineffable.
DM ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [MD] "100% confident" > On to your actual point Ham ... > > In this concluding piece ... >> >> But I shall not pursue this line of criticism further, since it is >> obvious >> that Pirsig's own pronouncement of his philosophy as "not just atheistic >> but >> anti-theistic" has been taken to mean that there is no metaphysical >> reality, >> and that whatever is "unknown" cannot be significant because it is >> inexperiencable. This of course limits the MoQ to experiential >> knowledge, >> denying the ineffable, and reducing the Oneness of Eastern mysticism to >> an >> amalgam of empirical patterns. (And Marsha couldn't understand why I >> found >> this philosophy nihilistic! ) >> > I would take exception to all the "has been taken to mean", "cannot be > signficant because", "limits" and "reduces" if we were continuing the > debate, but since we're not ... > > I find this liberating rather than nihilistic. Free to turn away from > obsession with the black hole at the core of a metaphysics, free to > look out at value in the real world. (This is not a nihilistic denial > of some reality existing at the centre - just the pragmatic conclusion > that it's not the most important problem to address it.) > > Interestingly you bring in the "anti-theistic" angle. Dennett > conlcudes his "Breaking the Spell" with the idea that proving the > existence or nature of God (the first cause in the black hole at the > centre of things) on way or another is ultimately uninteresting for > the same reason. What is interesting is why people believe, and what > they do with their beliefs. > > Ian > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
