-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Kundert Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism
Hey Ron, Ron said: Matt, if Quality is reality which equates to experience is reality, Would you agree that pre-intellect would equate to pre-experience At this angle? Matt: No, I don't think so. I'm not sure what angle you're at, but pre-intellect being pre-experience sounds like idealism, the kind Pirsig flirted with in his discourse on ghosts in the beginning of ZMM, because if experience is reality, then before intellect there was nothing. I don't think that's right. One of the things we know about the world, through experience, is that it's been around a lot longer than us, language and a lot of other things. Ron: But it might be a property of any organism which use any symbol system to understand their environment. It would be a matter of complexity. We are going to have to define intellect as more than symbol manipulation. It must be defined in terms of abstract thought application OR SOMETHING. Thoughts? _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
