[Ron] 1. Abstract reasoning Seems to fit the bill in regard to intellect. 2. SOM is more than an intellectual pattern.
3. Intellectual patterns become social patterns. Gosh Krim, the more I toy with this the more I see intellectual coming BEFORE social. Intellectual was the domain of priests shaman and chiefs Before the age of universities and an educated citizenry! I keep trying to save the hierarchy but it keeps collapsing like A house of cards where intellect is concerned. The lynch pin in understanding seems to be the fact of the intellectual level being made available to the common understanding. Public education was the cause of the intellectual revolution of culture. This is what the Greeks gave us not intellect but Public education. it standardized concepts of SOM it's parent. The new belief system based on analytical thought and the free exchange of ideas transformed the culture into a society of educated equals. Democracy. We the people. Until Rome ceased to be a republic. Am I in a logic trap? [Krimel] I don't know if it is a logic trap but you are jumping a bit ahead of what I had in mind. I was questioning how we decide what is meaningful. Is it purely a matter of intellect or is intellect really just icing on the cake, the tail wagging the dog, frou frou on a head boat? If we look at the example of the hot stove and the direct apprehension of Quality, we see that intellect is not really involved at all. When you touch a hot stove you do not pull away because you "understand" that the situation is low Quality. You pull away because your nervous system is constructed in such as way as to withdraw from pain. Defining painful stimulation as "low Quality" is an intellectual luxury that we engage in after the fact, while soaking our fried digits in cold beer. I raised the issue of emotion because emotions tend to be autonomic activities that encode experiences as being positive or negative. It is this "valence" property that helps us establish Quality as we reflect on our experiences. This valance is hard to over come. It helps to establish our attitudes and influences our perception of experiences. Intellect becomes a process of reconciling logic and emotional valence. This should not be terribly surprising since emotional valence is common to mammals. It forms heuristics that tell even tree sloths that something good happened under similar circumstances in the past and may do so again when they occur again. Certainly intellect is not a property of tree sloths. It seems to be a property exclusive to humans. It involves the use of language and intersubjective agreement. As to the chicken and egg business of the MoQ level; I am not a fan. I have said many times they are a misleading distraction. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
