[Krimel] If we look at the example of the hot stove and the direct apprehension of Quality, we see that intellect is not really involved at all. When you touch a hot stove you do not pull away because you "understand" that the situation is low Quality. You pull away because your nervous system is constructed in such as way as to withdraw from pain. Defining painful stimulation as "low Quality" is an intellectual luxury that we engage in after the fact, while soaking our fried digits in cold beer.
I raised the issue of emotion because emotions tend to be autonomic activities that encode experiences as being positive or negative. It is this "valence" property that helps us establish Quality as we reflect on our experiences. This valance is hard to over come. It helps to establish our attitudes and influences our perception of experiences. Intellect becomes a process of reconciling logic and emotional valence. This should not be terribly surprising since emotional valence is common to mammals. It forms heuristics that tell even tree sloths that something good happened under similar circumstances in the past and may do so again when they occur again. Certainly intellect is not a property of tree sloths. It seems to be a property exclusive to humans. It involves the use of language and intersubjective agreement. [Ron] Dogs, Primates, the meercats in "meercat manor" all exhibit communication And reasonably complex social structure. Which implies a certain degree Of symbol manipulation and subjective agreement. We humans exhibit the Most complex forms but I'd hesitate to say we are the only species That displays intellect. However crude. [Krimel] As to the chicken and egg business of the MoQ level; I am not a fan. I have said many times they are a misleading distraction. [ron] When intellect has yet to be defined sufficiently yes, it does create a lot Of confusion about what is meant by pre-intellect. The important part I feel Needs clarification is which way are we focusing to achieve a quality awareness? Some impressions imply that it is to be found in pre-intellect And replacing SOM with MOQ. We have demonstrated that SOM is cultural As well as intellectual and is a huge contributing factor in how we Perceive reality. Quality awareness is not to be found by this path Unless you reckon being catatonic is quality awareness (which seems highly impractical) I get the impression that quality awareness is to be found Not by shutting out intellect but focusing intellectual awareness back To the immediate experience balancing the whole ball of wax and not Allowing cultural preconceptions make our value judgments for us. Opening ourselves to a whole new realm of experience previously excluded. This concept introduces dynamism into every experience enriching our Culture not replacing it. It is an intellectual awareness of the animal we are and using it to our advantage. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
