It is the clinging to the false that makes the true so difficult to see. The real is always with you; you need not wait to be what you are. Only you must not allow your mind to go out of yourself in search. When you want something, ask yourself: do I really need it? And if the answer is not, then just drop it.
- Nisargadatta Maharaj Has it been ten years ? All this time spent searching for the holy grail of the MOQ, this elusive definition, wretched definition. Why wont it define itself ? Why wont it manifest before me ? Its really cruel of Pirsig to tease me of a Quality that lies beyond my constructs an undiscovered country so to speak beyond my intellect but is this not where I stand ? at the frontiers of my perception my rationality and emotions my humanity ? The logic follows perfectly if there is an inorganic there must be an organic and there must be a social and then an intellectual - the scaffolding of life the buddha said ehi passiko, verify dont take my word for it getting there requires letting go i know those that see beyond the false grasp the real and its been all words only words that held the meaning behind them Once I have seen what it means I have no more use for the words mine, Pirsig's nor the Buddha's.. Has it been ten years ? Where have I been all this time ? On 11/17/07, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > [Bo] Regrettably LILA did not follow up (making > > the 4th. level=S/O) > > > > but created one that we have been chasing for > > more than ten years > > > > without finding out. > > > > > > [SA previously] > > > Bo, I'm not part of this "we" you refer to above. > > > > > > [Bo] > > Well, speak out, I'm all ears/eyes. Will there > > finally emerge an > > intellectual defiition that meets the MOQ > > requirements? One that > > the intellectual patterns that Pirsig lists in LILA > > seem natural > > offshoots from. > > > > > [Lila; Chapter 32] > >From the static point of view the whole escape into > Dynamic Quality seems like a death experience. It's a > movement from something to nothing. How can 'nothing' > be any different from death? Since a Dynamic > understanding doesn't make the static distinctions > necessary to answer that question, the question goes > unanswered. All the Buddha could say was, 'See for > yourself.' > When early Western investigators first read the > Buddhist texts they too interpreted nirvana as some > kind of suicide. There's a famous poem that goes: > > While living, > Be a dead man. > Be completely dead, > And then do as you please. > And all will be well. > > It sounds like something from a Hollywood horror-film > but it's about nirvana. The Metaphysics of Quality > translates it: > > While sustaining biological and social patterns > Kill all intellectual patterns. > Kill them completely > And then follow Dynamic Quality > And morality will be served. > > > With all the defining going on in this forum, one > comment I really didn't fully see before and yet I > went on to realize it I guess is, "See for yourself". > As to intellectual patterns, "Kill all intellectual > patterns. Kill them completely. And then follow > Dynamic Quality." Have you tried this Bo. What would > this exercise do to your intellect? Any guesses or > first-hand experience you would like to share. I've > shared mine. > > > > > > > [Bo] > > PS > > Could you please extend the line length of your > > messages, it > > comes out all jumbled at my end. > > > > > > I don't know how to extend the line length. I > use yahoo mail. So, above I hit enter 5 times between > your comment and my comment, etc... > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6016-301 4079 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
