Hi Platt. On 18 Nov. you wrote:
> That's what I thought I said -- " . . . the 4th level is the VALUE of > the S/O distinction" which forms the basis of SOM. (By contrast the > MOQ stresses the value of the DQ/SQ distinction.) Right, but the MOQ is no static intellectual level. It is the very Dynamic/Static Metaphysics, the said meta-level from where the level context is seen. Intellect is as blind as the rest to that context. > I've also stressed the levels are NOT isolated mental compartments but > dominating value regions that overlap at the edges -- or if you like, a > hierarchy of changing values running morally upwards from rocks to > reason. Good. > I don't think SOM can be all of intellect Well if so we are back at start with a 4th. level that contains ideas, theories, metaphysics .. etc. in a SOM-mind sense. > because then you would have no place to put symbolic systems like > mathematics and computer code. Where would you put the symbolic system like language used long before the intellectual level? The hieroglyphs of the Egyptians and the cone (is that the name) signs of the Babylonians?. When it comes to mathematical and geometrical theorems they are as intellectual as intellect comes; proofs to show that this or that observed phenomenon is an objective eternal principle, why the hypotenuse always relates to the legs ... etc. But reckoning, calculating, in itself is logic or intelligence. Re. computer code it's a form of language in line with all languages means to communicate, convey social patterns at the social level and intellectual patterns at the intellectual level > By stating "I very much regard SOM all of intellect" you are placing > intellect in a tight mental compartment which, as you say, transfers > that idea into the MOQ which "screws it up." I'm not placing intellect anywhere near a tight mental compartment. The S/O-derived "mental/corporeal" is an intellectual pattern and intellect is a mere STATIC level within the MOQ. Can't you see the logical fault of a sub-set of a system containing the whole system? Pirsig ponted out the container metaphor, but then went on to violate it - by placing the MOQ as an intellectual pattern. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
