DMB and Group. On 15 Nov. DMB wrote:
> Bo said: > ...But this also proves my SOL (Intellect=S/O) There can't arrive an > "intellectual" pattern that overthrows the S/O while remaining an > intellectual pattern. The MOQ started as one but "took off on a > purpose of its own". > dmb says: > Why not? Why do you imagine that non-SOM intellectual patterns are > impossible? I have been reading anti-SOM or non-SOM intellectual > descriptions from a variety of philosophers for a couple of months now > and so this assertion strikes me as quite absurd and quite obviously > false. I should have expected this, to be praised by me is the kiss of death. ;-) You clearly regard the mere ability to speak or think as MOQ's 4th. value. And if you were able to listen in on a Stone Age meeting - whose agenda guaranteed was non-SOM - you would deem it an intellectual exchange. The "philosophy" term itself, invented by the Greeks who introduced the SOM, is intellect's hallmark. It means love of wisdom, but after Socrates & Co. wisdom and truth became synonymous. Thus philosophy is the search for what is OBJECTIVELY true and wise in contrast to silly SUBJECTIVE nonsense. > Radical Empiricism is a direct attack on SOM. In what sense is radical > empiricism NOT intellectual? How does this prime example fail to prove > the falsity of your assertion? William James certainly doubted S/O as existence's fundament, but he did NOT identify a SOM. He also hinted to a pre-S/O stage the said "aesthetic continuum" which - in James opinion - was the TRUE reality with the S/O some secondary taking place at the subjective human plane. Thus he was, and remained, a SOM-ist. Pirsig also began as one (SOM or Intellect is MOQ's parent) but he went a stage further and sketched the first alternative to SOM - the Romantic/Classic metaphysics - where Classic is sub-titled "intellect" = SOM or mind/matter. And this metaphysics weren't S/O, not even in the Jamesian form of the "continuum" as the objective reality. At least Phaedrus did not claim Quality as "objective" - an intellectual pattern - he relegates SOM the role of a sub-set of his new metaphysics. Regrettably LILA did not follow up (making the 4th. level=S/O) but created one that we have been chasing for more than ten years without finding out. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
