[Bo] >The big difference is that no religion has the level >arrangement (perhaps material, biological and social) but NOT the >intellectual, at least not (in my interpretation) as the subject/object >distinction. By having this as its topmost value Quality's GOOD is >beyond religion's GOD, in its vocabulary religion belongs at the social >level of goodness. Are you saying that religion doesn't promote intellectual thinking/goodness? Are you saying that Quality is greater than the idea of God because of Pirsig's (somewhat dogmatic/meaningless) Quality hierarchy?
Quality will always win at its own play ground; it is a common case in philsophy, especially pseudo philosophy. Just because Pirsig says religion is at the social rather than the intellectual level is a stupid reason to think so. You're saying that Quality's Good is beyond religion's God because the MoQ/Pirsig says so, an idiodic reason for agreeing with something. On Dec 1, 2007 10:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Akshay, Redsky and Khaled > > Gents, could you please edit your posts so one knows who is speaking > to whom? > > Anyway, Akshay wrote Nov. 30: > > > "Does Quality exist?" This isn't a valid question at all; this is > > realised as soon as you analyse the question. Quality is simply another > > name for Existence, because you start all of philosophic inquiry with > > one assumption, that of Existence. Therefore, it is like asking "does > > existence exist?". Akshay > > With which I profoundly agree ... from the MOQ point of view that is, > from SOM qualities are subjective phenomena, colors, smell, sound > ... etc. don't exist "out there". The next argument that everything exist > only "in here" is as much SOM as the former. > > ---------------------------------------- > > Redsky had written earlier: > > (after first quoting my [Bo's] post) > > >This is ZAMM and fairly early while the Quality debate was a > > >game Pirsig played with his teacher colleagues. Later - in LILA > > >after the Reality=Quality postulate - such demonstrations became > > >superfluous and useless. If quality is removed there is no > > >existence at all, full stop!. > > > Well, you could use the same logic to "prove" that God exists. If you > > remove God (and all of his actions) from the world, there is no world. > > I agree with this too, the "religious" metaphysics is a God/World > dichotomy with God=the dynamic creator and the world his static > creation. The big difference is that no religion has the level > arrangement (perhaps material, biological and social) but NOT the > intellectual, at least not (in my interpretation) as the subject/object > distinction. By having this as its topmost value Quality's GOOD is > beyond religion's GOD, in its vocabulary religion belongs at the social > level of goodness. > > > > If it produces a > > >more coherent world than SOM it's proven fact (and THAT is > > >does) > > > Do you happen to have the page numbers? Sorry, I haven't read Lila in > > ages. > > It's at page 210 in my Corgi Paperback.Chapter 18. > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Khaled's input I'm not sure what was, maybe thet one about God, > again edit your posts better. > > Bo > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- "The only thing that separates us from the animals is...well, the truth is nothing separates us from the animals." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
