> [Heather]
> I understand what your saying here Matt. Three
> questions. Have you read, 'The Guidebook to ZMM'?
> It is more intellectual in nature.
> Secondly, ZMM autobiographical was not
> fictional, and I would say, it was the ground in
which the more
> strictly intellectual aspects of ZMM manifested
> itself from. So, my second sincere question is,
what else
> do you do besides strictly intellectual pursuits?
You
> don't overlook them, or do you?
> [Matt]
> First, no, I have not read the guidebook. Is it in
> libraries, or where do I find it?
I couldn't get it through the local library. I
ended up buying it, oh... about 2 weeks ago on the
internet.
[Matt]
> Right, ZMM was autobiographical, not purely
> fictional. My point was that it
> wasn't in essay form, and therefore will have
> difficulty being critiqued by
> notable (please don't ask me to define notable; I
> can't) scholars of the day.
I know it's taught in the university in England,
and a textbook, as well as other papers are written at
this level. Dr. McWatt would have more information on
this, than I. He teaches it at the university level.
[Matt]
> No, I am not "the purely philosophical reader." It
> seems this was something
> Krimel was questioning, too. I enjoy jazz bass,
> writing fiction/poetry,
> reading literature, and the cinema (especially
> foreign films). I also
> (cliche as I am) like the rain, among many other
> things. Many of these
> things often take up more of my attention than
> philosophy. But, however, if
> the chair of the philosophy department at a top
> university (such as Harvard,
> etc.) were reading ZMM or Lila, he would have
> difficulty evaluating Pirsig's
> ideas from a purely philosophical standpoint because
> of the way Pirsig wrote
> it.
Would they? I don't know.
[Matt]
> Not that Pirsig should have put it in essay form
> (I loved ZMM), but that
> if he was specifically trying to create a
> breakthrough in philosophy, he
> likely would have had a better chance with a few
> essays rather than a few
> novels.
maybe.
[Matt to Krimel]
> Going back, I still would have kept ZMM and Lila
fictional
> (great writing).
> But philosophically, I may prefer the paper.
It seems you may be arguing from the position of
the scholarly community, and what they might say. I
understand where your argument is coming from. Why it
couldn't be in a professional paper, given as a speech
somewhere, like say Harvard, and then the scholarly
community applauds in convincing appraisal. Maybe it
doesn't happen this way anymore. I don't know. How
it ever did get accepted to be taught in a university
in England with a Ph.D. professor teaching the moq to
students with a textbook they can study from would be
an interesting story. One that probably begins as
other philosophies in the past. The philosopher
teaching in a university, convincing students of its'
quality, and these students value the work to only
soon expand where this philosophy will be taught.
'Schools of thought' do start somewhere, and then
students of a 'school of thought' begin teaching at
other universities. How this process works
now-a-days, I don't know. Now-a-days it seems the
teacher with his/her disciples/students don't walk the
roads and hillsides to get their word out.
I don't know why you argue from the position that
ZMM and Lila are fictional instead of books to be
found in the philosophy section of the bookstore. I
do, but I don't fully understand why you do.
Fictional seems to be the metaphor that you find best
to convey your argument, but I'd say in time fictional
may not be as precise a metaphor that you mean to
portray, maybe.
thanks.
woods,
SA
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