Greetings Redsky,

It's a playground of value.  Don't you realized what that means?   Be 
aware and value what is good.


While sustaining biological and social patterns
Kill all intellectual patterns.
Kill them completely
And then follow Dynamic Quality
And morality will be served.
         (LILA, Chapter 32)


At least that's how I try to live it.  Of course, occasionally I 
forget.  Even most my chattering is play (except the feminist stuff.)

Marsha





At 02:45 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 12/1/2007 7:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>If we  value certain values more because we value more value in them,
>i.e.,  because our values help us value these values, then why do
>people who  evaluate art value between what's "value" and what they  "value?"
>---
>
>I bet I could tighten further by transforming the word  'people' and
>the pronouns into 'valuing agents'.  I might also ask  why you asked
>the question?   What is there other than  value?
>
>
>
>That's pretty much the essence of what I was getting at.  What is  there
>besides value?  Well, I always found Pirsig's justification for  believing in
>"quality" somewhat flimsy, and coming from an 
>(admittedly,  untutored) artistic
>background, it seems curious to me that Pirsig feels that 
>a  definite break in
>absolute quality (not subjective) can exist between two works  of art.  I
>suppose you could say I value Bob Dylan's "Planet Waves" on 
>a  personal level but
>reject its value on an artistic level, but here I'm operating  on two planes,
>one of which relates to what matters to me (the former) and one  as 
>to what my
>opinions mean to others (the latter).  But in those grooves,  there is a
>(relatively) steady rhythm, no one hits any bum notes...so from 
>that  point of
>view, the record has a lot of value (Quality?).
>
>
>
>
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