Hi Marsha what about when we don't need to sustain them? what do we/can we do then?
Thanks David M > > While sustaining biological and social patterns > Kill all intellectual patterns. > Kill them completely > And then follow Dynamic Quality > And morality will be served. > (LILA, Chapter 32) > > > At least that's how I try to live it. Of course, occasionally I > forget. Even most my chattering is play (except the feminist stuff.) > > Marsha > > > > > > At 02:45 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: >> >>In a message dated 12/1/2007 7:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >>If we value certain values more because we value more value in them, >>i.e., because our values help us value these values, then why do >>people who evaluate art value between what's "value" and what they >>"value?" >>--- >> >>I bet I could tighten further by transforming the word 'people' and >>the pronouns into 'valuing agents'. I might also ask why you asked >>the question? What is there other than value? >> >> >> >>That's pretty much the essence of what I was getting at. What is there >>besides value? Well, I always found Pirsig's justification for believing >>in >>"quality" somewhat flimsy, and coming from an >>(admittedly, untutored) artistic >>background, it seems curious to me that Pirsig feels that >>a definite break in >>absolute quality (not subjective) can exist between two works of art. I >>suppose you could say I value Bob Dylan's "Planet Waves" on >>a personal level but >>reject its value on an artistic level, but here I'm operating on two >>planes, >>one of which relates to what matters to me (the former) and one as >>to what my >>opinions mean to others (the latter). But in those grooves, there is a >>(relatively) steady rhythm, no one hits any bum notes...so from >>that point of >>view, the record has a lot of value (Quality?). >> >> >> >> >>**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >>hottest >>products. >>(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) >>Moq_Discuss mailing list >>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>Archives: >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
