Hi David,

If you can recognize them, then you can ignore those you don't need 
to sustain.

Marsha



At 01:56 PM 12/7/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Marsha
>
>what about when we don't need to sustain them?
>what do we/can we do then?
>
>Thanks
>David M
>
> >
> > While sustaining biological and social patterns
> > Kill all intellectual patterns.
> > Kill them completely
> > And then follow Dynamic Quality
> > And morality will be served.
> >         (LILA, Chapter 32)
> >
> >
> > At least that's how I try to live it.  Of course, occasionally I
> > forget.  Even most my chattering is play (except the feminist stuff.)
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:45 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote:
> >>
> >>In a message dated 12/1/2007 7:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>
> >>If we  value certain values more because we value more value in them,
> >>i.e.,  because our values help us value these values, then why do
> >>people who  evaluate art value between what's "value" and what they
> >>"value?"
> >>---
> >>
> >>I bet I could tighten further by transforming the word  'people' and
> >>the pronouns into 'valuing agents'.  I might also ask  why you asked
> >>the question?   What is there other than  value?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>That's pretty much the essence of what I was getting at.  What is  there
> >>besides value?  Well, I always found Pirsig's justification for  believing
> >>in
> >>"quality" somewhat flimsy, and coming from an
> >>(admittedly,  untutored) artistic
> >>background, it seems curious to me that Pirsig feels that
> >>a  definite break in
> >>absolute quality (not subjective) can exist between two works  of art.  I
> >>suppose you could say I value Bob Dylan's "Planet Waves" on
> >>a  personal level but
> >>reject its value on an artistic level, but here I'm operating  on two
> >>planes,
> >>one of which relates to what matters to me (the former) and one  as
> >>to what my
> >>opinions mean to others (the latter).  But in those grooves,  there is a
> >>(relatively) steady rhythm, no one hits any bum notes...so from
> >>that  point of
> >>view, the record has a lot of value (Quality?).
> >>
> >>
> >>
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