> [Platt] > I think we see Dynamic Quality differently. To me it's a moral force, like > other forms of energy, that people respond to. You seem to see it as a > capacity for change that some static patterns, not necessarily people, > possess. Morality (value) doesn't enter into your view. Is that correct? > > [Krimel] > I think we are closer than you might think. You are correct that I do not > see morality as having some independent existence. Nor do I see it as energy > in a physicalist sense. Rather I think it is our response to DQ. By this I > mean a biological response, programmed into us by evolution. We enter the > world equipped to recognize things that are good for us and things that are > bad. We are, even into adulthood, guided by these emotional reactions to > events around us. As I have said many times, morality and purpose are not > properties of nature there are properties of us. As you have on occasion > point out residing in us makes them properties of nature but I would say not > in a particularly cosmic sense.
[Platt] Where you and I (and Pirsig) appear to depart is believing morality is in nature "in the cosmic sense." From Pirsig: "It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static patterns of value and moral judgment are identical. The "Laws of Nature" are moral laws." (Lila, 12) [Krimel] > The real issue is that while you do not see science as suggesting any > particular view of morality, I do. For me at least the morality is evolution > and evolutionary. Our moral imperative is to rear our young and make the > world a better place for those who come after us. I would suggest that few > societies have ever existed or at least long endured in defiance of this > moral precept. [Platt] You seem to the exception to what most scientists say, namely, that the universe (which I presume includes us) has no purpose. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
