> [Platt]
> Where you and I (and Pirsig) appear to depart is believing morality is in
> nature "in the cosmic sense." From Pirsig:
>
> "It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static
> patterns of value and moral judgment are identical. The "Laws of Nature" are
> moral laws." (Lila, 12)
> [Krimel]
> Setting aside for a moment the idea that Pirsig is on your team. Frankly I
> don't recall who the team captains are or who got to choose first.
> Nevertheless it is not like Pirsig is an oracle pronouncing divine commands
> from on high.
>
> Chapter 12 is uncomfortably near that abysmal evolution dreck in Chapter 11.
> Maybe he had not gathered his thoughts. He certainly seems to have lost The
> Way.
[Platt]
Team captains? Oracles? Divine commands? Dreck? You do use colorful
language at times.
> [Krimel]
> > The real issue is that while you do not see science as suggesting any
> > particular view of morality, I do. For me at least the morality is
> evolution
> > and evolutionary. Our moral imperative is to rear our young and make the
> > world a better place for those who come after us. I would suggest that few
> > societies have ever existed or at least long endured in defiance of this
> > moral precept.
>
> [Platt]
> You seem to the exception to what most scientists say, namely, that the
> universe (which I presume includes us) has no purpose.
>
> [Krimel]
> That is not my understanding of what scientists say. I am not aware for many
> places, schools of thought or cultures that would deny: Our moral imperative
> is to rear our young and make the world a better place for those who come
> after us;
{Pirsig]
"From the perspective of a subject-object science, the world is a
completely purposeless, valueless place. There is no point in anything.
Nothing is right and nothing is wrong. Everything just functions, like
machinery. There is nothing morally wrong with being lazy, nothing morally
wrong with lying, with theft, with suicide, with murder, with genocide.
There is nothing morally wrong because there are no morals, just
functions." (Lila, 22)
[Platt]
I think he's got it right -- as the history of the 20th century fairly
well illustrates.
[Krimel]
> Republicans not withstanding. Their morality seems more like: what
> is mine is mine and what is yours is mine if I can take it. Damn the kids
> let them pay for our mistakes. Here's hoping that the wheels of evolution
> grind them to a pulp in my lifetime!
[Platt]
I have no doubt you express the underlying wish of the left, along with a
willingness to give evolution a push. .
[Krimel]
> Gotta go now I hear the daily Jesus Pool Party starting up near by...
[Platt]
Intolerance is a sin among politically correct leftists, unless the subject
is Christians.
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