SA They are both events if that is all you are saying? DM
----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Perella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism > > [DM] >> I could not think of any extra way to explain. >> Try this. I need to write a sentence in an email. >> There are more POSSIBLE (emphasis on word) sentences >> then could >> be written between now and the end of time. I have >> access to a small >> part of this possible range, yet even this is vast >> and I will die before I >> could write all the sentences I am capable of. But I >> live and so I must >> choose. >> And these are the sentences I give you. From the >> possible (that is real and >> exists for me, how else do I access it) I decide >> which sentences to make >> actual. And here they are. Quite magical and a big >> responsibility when you >> come >> to think of it. The past puts us within reach of a >> certain range of the >> possible, >> but we can only actualise a small part of what is >> possible for us, so we >> have >> to choose. Such is life.It is a forsaking of much >> that is possible to >> actualise very >> little of it. >> Does that help? > > > DM, it's not the defining of random and choice > that I'm having difficulty with. I said in my first > response to this line of discussion that both are > dependently originated. I see randomness and choice > decisions occuring at the same time. Randomness and > preferences happening co-dependently. We can make > them distinct, and I mentioned that easily happens. > I'm pointing out how both can happen even in the same > event. > Wiktionary says random is as follows: > > "1- All outcomes being equally probable > 2- Unpredictable > 3- Having apparent lack of plan, cause or > reason" > > > There were other definitions, feel free to look > at them. > > Choice (same source): > "1- An option; a decision; an opportunity to choose > or select something. > 2- One selection or preference; that which is > chosen or decided; the outcome of a decision. > 3- Anything that can be choosen. > 4- (definite: the choice): The best or most > preferable part" > > > I don't like to split hairs, and I don't want to > make this an all of nothing definition. But at this > moment I see randomness as dynamic, and choice is the > valuing process amidst this unpredictable, lack of > reasoning events. We, as humans, may apply reason, > and make a choice. We may prefer something in this > randomness, and make a final decision and pick > something. Now, what would these applied together, in > unison, be called. The event process is one way of > looking at this. I don't see these (choice and > random) being separate events, but co-dependent in a > bigger event that includes the two. > So, what were you trying to get at? > > raining, > SA > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
