Hi SA prefer is obviously a choice and chance involves no choice, as an active human being I'd suggest you always have to choose, whether you choose to reject, embrace or to be indifferent. Can you do anything truly randomly?
Regards David M > > [DM] >> They are both events if that is all you are saying? > > Yes, events that can happen at the same time. > Preferring one over the other, hmm, I don't think that > leads anywhere that revealing. > > > SA > > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Heather Perella" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism >> >> >> > >> > [DM] >> >> I could not think of any extra way to explain. >> >> Try this. I need to write a sentence in an email. >> >> There are more POSSIBLE (emphasis on word) >> sentences >> >> then could >> >> be written between now and the end of time. I >> have >> >> access to a small >> >> part of this possible range, yet even this is >> vast >> >> and I will die before I >> >> could write all the sentences I am capable of. >> But I >> >> live and so I must >> >> choose. >> >> And these are the sentences I give you. From the >> >> possible (that is real and >> >> exists for me, how else do I access it) I decide >> >> which sentences to make >> >> actual. And here they are. Quite magical and a >> big >> >> responsibility when you >> >> come >> >> to think of it. The past puts us within reach of >> a >> >> certain range of the >> >> possible, >> >> but we can only actualise a small part of what is >> >> possible for us, so we >> >> have >> >> to choose. Such is life.It is a forsaking of much >> >> that is possible to >> >> actualise very >> >> little of it. >> >> Does that help? >> > >> > >> > DM, it's not the defining of random and choice >> > that I'm having difficulty with. I said in my >> first >> > response to this line of discussion that both are >> > dependently originated. I see randomness and >> choice >> > decisions occuring at the same time. Randomness >> and >> > preferences happening co-dependently. We can make >> > them distinct, and I mentioned that easily >> happens. >> > I'm pointing out how both can happen even in the >> same >> > event. >> > Wiktionary says random is as follows: >> > >> > "1- All outcomes being equally probable >> > 2- Unpredictable >> > 3- Having apparent lack of plan, cause or >> > reason" >> > >> > >> > There were other definitions, feel free to >> look >> > at them. >> > >> > Choice (same source): >> > "1- An option; a decision; an opportunity to >> choose >> > or select something. >> > 2- One selection or preference; that which is >> > chosen or decided; the outcome of a decision. >> > 3- Anything that can be choosen. >> > 4- (definite: the choice): The best or most >> > preferable part" >> > >> > >> > I don't like to split hairs, and I don't want >> to >> > make this an all of nothing definition. But at >> this >> > moment I see randomness as dynamic, and choice is >> the >> > valuing process amidst this unpredictable, lack of >> > reasoning events. We, as humans, may apply >> reason, >> > and make a choice. We may prefer something in >> this >> > randomness, and make a final decision and pick >> > something. Now, what would these applied >> together, in >> > unison, be called. The event process is one way >> of >> > looking at this. I don't see these (choice and >> > random) being separate events, but co-dependent in >> a >> > bigger event that includes the two. >> > So, what were you trying to get at? >> > >> > raining, >> > SA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >> > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
