> >SA previously: I think by this dialogue we are
trying to
> >understand what we both mean by quiet. I use
> >quietness a lot here, and I'm wondering if when I
> use this term to signify an experience, if people in
> this forum know what I mean. Thank you for helping
me
> see how this forum might be percieving this
'quietness'
> >I'm talking about.
> > What is "silent witness"? I never heard of
> this term. Please explain. Maybe this is what I'm
> talking about.
[Marsha]
> I'll try, but it's experience, not procedure.
> When I was a very disciplined meditator, I came to a
> point where I
> could watch my own thoughts flowing and changing.
> It was unbelievable!!! They would meander here and
there.
> I wish I could
> explain why one thought would follow another, but I
> do not know. Sometimes there'd seem to be a logic
to it,
> but at other times
> the association seemed a mystery. It didn't take
> long to realize
> that thinking is not some exalted faculty. It can
> be useful, but not necessarily.
> The original form of this meditation was not to
> become attached to
> the thoughts, just let them go. It's to be a silent
> witness. Now
> it's kind of a habit. Not always, of course, but
> most of the
> time. There's always a watching aspect. I can be
> on the phone
> giving my mother advice to check into the side
> affects of a new
> prescription, and still there is the silent witness
> watching. Sometimes there is only the silent
> witness. This is the
> place of calm and quiet, where experience is clear.
> I think living
> alone has helped to strengthen this.
SA: No, other than the last part where you mention,
"the place of calm and quiet, where experience is
clear", but it seems your complicating what I'm trying
to say. I'm talking about quiet. I'm not talking
about some process of watching thoughts and letting
them go, although while that happens it might be
quiet, but maybe your trying to give me real examples
where you find quiet? I would agree that quiet can be
experienced during these times. Yet, I want to be
sure your not trying to talk about a quiet that is
only found when experiences are "unbelieveable!!!!" or
while one is a "very disciplined meditator". Also,
"silent witness" seems to be a person or a position
one takes with 'things'/'events'. Though quiet can
happen during these moments as well, this might be
complicating what I'm referring to. Here's another
real example as follows:
Maybe the radio is turned up too loud and one
can't hear how quiet it is. Yet, as beauty, quiet is
in the 'eye of the beholder' for even a loud radio can
be quiet compared to a jack-hammer.
Is this the quiet your talking about?
I appreciate you helping me bounce this off another
person here on this forum. Thanks.
SA
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