At 04:15 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
> > >SA previously: I think by this dialogue we are
>trying to
> > >understand what we both mean by quiet. I use
> > >quietness a lot here, and I'm wondering if when I
> > use this term to signify an experience, if people in
> > this forum know what I mean. Thank you for helping
>me
> > see how this forum might be percieving this
>'quietness'
> > >I'm talking about.
> > > What is "silent witness"? I never heard of
> > this term. Please explain. Maybe this is what I'm
> > talking about.
>
>
> [Marsha]
> > I'll try, but it's experience, not procedure.
> > When I was a very disciplined meditator, I came to a
> > point where I
> > could watch my own thoughts flowing and changing.
> > It was unbelievable!!! They would meander here and
>there.
> > I wish I could
> > explain why one thought would follow another, but I
> > do not know. Sometimes there'd seem to be a logic
>to it,
> > but at other times
> > the association seemed a mystery. It didn't take
> > long to realize
> > that thinking is not some exalted faculty. It can
> > be useful, but not necessarily.
> > The original form of this meditation was not to
> > become attached to
> > the thoughts, just let them go. It's to be a silent
> > witness. Now
> > it's kind of a habit. Not always, of course, but
> > most of the
> > time. There's always a watching aspect. I can be
> > on the phone
> > giving my mother advice to check into the side
> > affects of a new
> > prescription, and still there is the silent witness
> > watching. Sometimes there is only the silent
> > witness. This is the
> > place of calm and quiet, where experience is clear.
> > I think living
> > alone has helped to strengthen this.
>
>
>SA:
>No, other than the last part where you mention,
>"the place of calm and quiet, where experience is
>clear", but it seems your complicating what I'm trying
>to say. I'm talking about quiet.
SA,
You want to know about sound? A small amount of noise (bird
chirping) as opposed to large amount noise (a Metallica recording)?
> I'm not talking
>about some process of watching thoughts and letting
>them go, although while that happens it might be
>quiet, but maybe your trying to give me real examples
>where you find quiet? I would agree that quiet can be
>experienced during these times. Yet, I want to be
>sure your not trying to talk about a quiet that is
>only found when experiences are "unbelieveable!!!!" or
>while one is a "very disciplined meditator".
I was explaining how I found quiet. I learned from the above
meditational experience to let go of a chattering mind. (most of the
time.) That leads to quietness and awareness. The
"unbelieveable!!!" was a powerful lesson that has stayed with me. My
meditation is not so disciplined anymore. It's more random
throughout the day. I always come back to breath.
>Also,
>"silent witness" seems to be a person or a position
>one takes with 'things'/'events'.
A silent witness is what I find when the mind is not attached.
> Though quiet can
>happen during these moments as well, this might be
>complicating what I'm referring to. Here's another
>real example as follows:
> Maybe the radio is turned up too loud and one
>can't hear how quiet it is. Yet, as beauty, quiet is
>in the 'eye of the beholder' for even a loud radio can
>be quiet compared to a jack-hammer.
>
>
>Is this the quiet your talking about?
I haven't been talking about sound. But yes there is quietness in my
day. But the type of experience I have been talking about, a quiet
mind, is very valuable. The noisiest thing is the world is
mind. It's not that I don't enjoy busting a mental problem. I
do. But it's as Dan indicated, not much. It might be fun, and if
I'm lucky I may bust some static thinking. But it's really not a big
deal, it doesn't last. It just floats away with everything else.
>I appreciate you helping me bounce this off another
>person here on this forum. Thanks.
>
>SA
I don't know if I've hit your quiet mark. I'm sorry I haven't
understood your question very well.
Marsha
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