Hi Chris, I think that's a good idea. Previous attempts to create an MoQ "manifesto" have generally met with mixed responses and have not gotten very far .... Krim most recently; I tried a couple of years ago, Henry, and Dave Harding too.
One of the problems is that the discussion on here has become very repetitive and inward looking, on subjects that are of most obvious interest to philosophers (metaphysicians) - with some significant sticking points still. That said, I believe it is possible to create a summary for what MoQ is about (to a wider world) and to actively "promote" that through more than on-line chat amongst enthusiasts. Some reasonably good summaries exists from Pirsig and by Ant - they're good, but IMHO they are really aimed at other philosophers and philosophologists. The main sticking points this idea tends to hit are (a) that summarising MoQ in ways for wider human consumption tend to offend those who focus on the ineffable koan-like nature of quality, and (b) any attempt to progress the MoQ's interest "as a group" tends to meet with all the political-power-of-authority objections - who's interests ? who's in charge ? etc - leaving purely organic, unmanaged, evolution. Both of which positions are perfectly understandable to a MoQist, but not the most pragmatic way to make progress. Be interested to hear some other responses. Ian On 1/22/08, Christoffer Ivarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everybody, Chris from Sweden here. > > This is my first time posting on this list, so bare with me if this repeats > old points. I have, as I'm sure most of you have, been trying to explain the > exceptionality of MOQ to friends and , well, people in general really. And I > think that we all have faced the same kinds of problems at one point or > another, that being the problem of trying to get someone who is so deeply > rooted in the SOM to be open to question their own view. It is not, I think > strange that a lot of people seem to have a very hard time of understanding > the basic concept of Quality as it is in MOQ, and that I think is not because > of incapacity to do so, but rather because of fear. It stands natural that to > change ones basic view of the world would appear to be a scary thing for a > lot of people - even though many here I think would testify to the contrary - > it naturally follows that one instead clings to an old idea with the same > zeal you would find in someone hanging over a cliff, grasping a rotten branch . > > There is a very big problem here. I think you all would agree that this view > that we hold is one that it is of very high Quality to spread to people, and > I in turn would go further to imply that it might be a kind of duty, in some > sense, for all of us to try to do so. As I reed Lilas Child before, Bodvar > wrote something about the ancient Platonists, those that fought to have their > ideas of SOM recognised, and how the Lila Squad was quite like that. I think > I would agree there, and that leads me on to my point; > > What I think would be a good thing to be done right now, in this very time, > for the benefit of the MOQ, is to more trash the SOM. I don't mean this in > any kind of hostile way - I personally no longer feel the anger towards it > that I did before reading ZMM and Lila - but it seems to me to be one of the > most practical things that can be done at this time. I say, assemble all of > the platypi that can be found, write it down, and have it ready. When someone > asks "why MOQ" there is the obvious answer that since a metaphysics is no > truth , only an interpretation, and a tool, it only makes sense to use the > best tool there is, and why is MOQ better then SOM - here is the list! If we > had such a list. It would just be easier. > > Well, thoughts? Is this at all worth talking about? > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
