DMB, Ron,

Agree, great post again DMB. However Ron, we must have "changing
peoples minds" as the point of our discussions - what other point is
there - if neither our mnd nor theirs is changed ?

So in the example - We must not expect to totally reverse a "theist"
point of view into an "atheist" one (at least not very often), but the
point is to get the theist to incorporate an athesist understanding of
morality into their own (therefore modified) position.

An anecdotal aside. My wife (a UK expat, athesist, like myself) works
in the local hospital here in Alabam, and all of her immediate
colleagues are local bible-belters. All human life is here - adultery,
affairs, divorces, illegitimate pregnancies, absentee fathers (and
worse) you name it. What the work mates cannot comprehend is how she,
an atheist, takes a far clearer moral stance than any of them do, on
any of these day to day reality issues - they keep asking - but if you
don't read the bible, where do you get your morals from ? At least
they seem genuinely concerned by the question. Every little helps.

Ian

On 1/22/08, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dmb:
> People sort of light up when the discussion turns to these questions.
> I've do not recall a single negative experience but I've been thanked
> for it a few times. It's not because they were persuaded to abandon any
> beliefs. Its more like they were charged up about some relatively latent
> belief they already had.
>
> Ron:
> DmB, Excellent post. I did not intend to give the impression that
> discussion
> Of these topics was useless, only that expecting to change peoples minds
>
> By rationally challenging their faith is A little unrealistic. I agree
> With your approach and I do likewise when I feel the climate is right.
> Inspiring discussion is the first step, I quite agree. Initiating active
> inquiry may very well plant the seed.
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