Hi Platt,
Platt:
>> What did you mean by "I place great faith in Beauty."
>
> [Platt]
> That Beauty is a meter of Truth, Rightness and Goodness.
Steve:
I'm not sure what you mean by "faith" here.
>> Steve:
>> But all belief is by definition a matter of intellectual quality.
> [Platt]
>
> I disagree with your belief that "all belief is by definition a
> matter of
> intellectual quality." Many beliefs are held in common and thus
> qualify as
> social level phenomena.
Steve:
I see this as a huge misunderstanding of the intellectual level and
types of patterns of value in general. When a pattern of thought
becomes prevalent, it doesn't morph into a social pattern. It's still
a pattern of thought.
>>> {Platt]
>>> Does religion make a claim for intellectual quality? I don't think
>>> so, but
>>> I could be wrong.
>>
>> Steve:
>> The Catholic Church loves to say that since God is Truth there is no
>> possibility of conflict between reason and faith.
>
> Well, "Truth" is a tough nut to crack, don't you think? Must it be
> intellectual quality, meaning rational? If so, it runs smack into
> Godel's
> Theorem. I believe there is Truth beyond intellectual
> understanding, for
> example, a truth that sees the truth of Godel's Theorem -- a meta
> Truth if
> you will. Already mentioned is the Truth arrived at by elegance and
> harmony, an aesthetic Truth.
Steve:
My point is just that religions do make claims for intellectual
quality and an example is the Catholic claim that there is no
conflict between faith and reason.
Platt:
> And how about Truth from revelation? Pirsig
> says there's a level above intellect where I believe Truth also
> resides.
Steve:
There is no level (type of pattern of value) above intellectual. His
Code of Art is "a code that isn't a code" and certainly isn't to be
taken as a static level.
Regards,
Steve
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