At 08:58 AM 1/27/2008, you wrote:
>Quoting MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > At 09:32 AM 1/26/2008, you wrote:
> > >Hi Steve,
> > >
> > > > Steve:
> > > > The reason there can be no level of art is because the levels denote
> > > > types of patterns of value. Let's think about what "the code of art"
> > > > would be as a level. We would need to infer patterns for this
> > > > "dynamic morality" based on response to DQ. But DQ is "always new"
> > > > and "comes as a surprise" which suggests no patterns will be
> > > > forthcoming.
> > >
> > >Good point. But Pirsig describes DQ as a process:
> > >
> > >"But in a value-centered explanation of evolution they are close to the
> > >Dynamic process itself, pulling the pattern of life forward to greater
> > >levels of versatility, and freedom."
> > >
> > >This "process" looks like a pattern to me. But maybe that's because any
> > >description of DQ would necessarily result in a symbolic static pattern of
> > >words.
> >
> > Hi Platt,
> >
> > Isn't Quality (Dynamic & Static) process? Do you understand it
> differently?
>
>Hi Marsha:
>
>Yes, I think so. Merriam-Webster definition of process:"a natural
>phenomenon marked
>by gradual changes that lead toward a particular result." Fits Quality doesn't
>it?.
>
>[Platt]
> > >As an aside I can't help but think that if something can't be put into
> > >words, it's existence becomes a matter of faith.
>
>[Marsha]
> > I wonder about this. There are experiences that are beyond my
> > ability to find appropriate words to explain them. That doesn't seem
> > to diminish the experience for me, but might require some kind of
> > faith from a listener that I'm not spouting complete nonsense or "new
> > age" gibberish?
>
>"Born again" Christians have a direct experience of God so I'm told which
>supports their faith. Those who agree with the MOQ put faith in DQ as a
>catalyst for change, even though DQ can't be fully described in
>words. As I've argued before, all beliefs are based on faith when you
>get right down to it, but the foundation of one's beliefs is often
>inexpicable.
>
>Not sure that responds to your point.
Platt,
Does direct experience require faith? Does direct experience even
require words?
Marsha
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