Hi Ron Is lots of god-talk better seen as various attempt to talk about DQ using notions/concepts designed to talk about SQ? This is why they always seem to miss the point?
David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Kulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality > Marsha, > This is where I have trouble calling myself anything. I've wrestled with > This for awhile, I can't say I do not believe in god, because I do > Believe in the spov of god as DQ, that's how the great spirit was > Explained to me, plus I've always kinda felt this in my bones >>From a kid on up. The connectedness we share with all. > So I can't really say I don't believe in that. > When asked, usually I say I believe in god, > Just not the god everybody else believes in. > I have a relationship with the universe whether I choose > To acknowledge it or not, I endeavor to move in harmony with it. > > Labeling myself just goes against my grain. I'm not an atheist > Nor a theist yet I agree with portions of both philosophies. > > I'm me, with my own beliefs, this has usually caused a fuss >>From both camps. > > I would never say my way is best or the true or the only way. > I do however, encourage people to think for themselves and > Develop their own beliefs in these matters. > That much I agree with Harris. > > If I'm against anything it's absolutism. Taking hard stances > Against broad general concepts like: religion is evil > Or atheists are immoral. It demonstrates a total lack > Of understanding. > > > -Ron > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] The End of Faith - Spirituality > > > Does god exist as a spov? Yes. > > Religious traditions using extensive definition, doctrine and dogma > state god (spov) is equivalent to DQ. > > I reject the existence of that god. > > I am an atheist. > > > > > > > > > ************* > DEFINITION of Marsha, I, me, self, myself, & etc.: Ever-changing > collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological, > social and intellectual, static patterns of value. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
