Jorge:
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I can't answer for SA and Magnus but I could tell you
about my resistance to accept what you said above.
Starting with "a rock is a pattern of energy":
>From what could we infer that? From the fact that a
rock 'has energy' ? We may ascribe to a rock energy,
mass and position in space. Does that mean that a rock
is a pattern of mass or of position?
You go on saying :"Energy in the pattern of atoms.
Repeated in its configurations as molecules". I guess
that you are probably alluding to the fact that most
rocks contain crystals.
Ron:
I'm alluding to the fact that rocks and everything else
are composed of molecules which are patterns of atoms
which are composed of protons neutrons and electrons
Which are composed of fluctuating quantum energy fields.
All matter is energy. E=mc2 and the atomic bomb proved
This.
Jorge:
An important note to you and others like you
here that keep saying that a rock or a tree or any
object or subject are patterns: I am not claiming that
I am Right and you are Wrong.What I'm merely saying is
that, according to the meaning I ascribed to the word
Pattern, your propositions are objectionable. The word
Pattern has a lot of meanings and it could well be
that you are ascribing to it a different meaning
altogether. If so, you ought to state it clearly;
otherwise we could be arguing till kingdom comes and
never learn anything.
Ron:
Matter is energy. Can't be anymore straight forward than that.
Jorge:
And one more thing: to say that a rock is a
pattern "because Pirsig said so" is not stating a
sense or a meaning. It is merely to justify through
Magister dixit, a bad habit of previous generations.
Ron:
A rock is a pattern because the most brilliant minds of the past century
Have theorized and proved that it is so. What do you think nuclear
reactions
Are? Millions in Japan perished in aug. 1945 due to this fact.
All matter is patterns of energy. All matter is composed of spinning
radiating patterns of atoms in molecular bond. You, me, our thoughts
Everything. Google it, read for yourself. I invite you to investigate
it.
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