[Ian] "Arlo denies the individual self" is slanderous rhetortic, and a gross distortion of anything he does actually say. Par for the course in that respect.
[Arlo] It's all I really expect, Ian. As you've said, this is an old conversation, and it plays out the same each time. They don't really care what I say, of course, as long as I'm doing anything but wagging my dick about the Lone Wonderous Individual I get the same schtick retorts about "denying the individual" or any such bunk as we've seen (again) lately. And, what you've pointed out, is that I am doing little more than quoting Pirisig. Maybe combining a few quotes, and then offering the insights of others who've also articulated the belief that the "mind originates out of society". Indeed, if this is Pirsig's view (it is), and others have written similarly, one would think those who pretend to be interested in the MOQ would be at the very least curious as to how others have articulated this dynamic. And of those I mention (Vygostsky, Bakhtin and of course Archer and Giddens), are ones were I find exceptional convergence between what Pirsig had said and what these people are writing. Indeed, with Bourdieu there is a strong parallel with Pirsig's central static-Dynamic differentiation. And since Bourdieu is concerned with social level beings and the formation of mind, one would think there would be interest here, rather than the ridiculous Limbaughian tactics we see above. But, as you say, par for the course. Think we'll ever see Platt answer the simple question about when societies existed but not individuals? I don't. And again, that would be par for the course. Looking forward to your thoughts on my ideas about the "carbon property" of the biological and social levels. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
