Arlo and Craig -- > [Craig] > Your thesis may be right, but you can't show what Pirsig > means by 'mediated' by showing what he means by 'derived'.
> [Arlo] > The idea of "mediated" versus "derived" came from Ham, > who challenged that because Pirsig said intellect was > "mediated" by the social-level it does not mean he says it > "derived" from the social-level. There are clear quotes of > Pirsig using both these words to describe intellect from social. > > All this is summed up clearly and without confusion when > Pirsig says, "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic > nature. They originate out of society, which originates out of > biology which originates out of inorganic nature." It is not clear, and it is not correct. The word "mental", used as a cliché, may loosely connote "intelligence" (in the sense of a body of information). But mental, as in "relating to the mind", is defined as "the total emotional and intellectual response of AN INDIVIDUAL to his environment". Look it up in the dictionary, Arlo. Your favorite author doesn't like to define words. If he did, perhaps we wouldn't be struggling so hard to hash out what he "really meant". Or, as in this example, realizing that he was plain wrong. THE INDIVIDUAL EXISTS! (You can quote me on it.) --Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
